check this idle

by **travs ea-xr6** » January 15th, 2009, 3:03 pm

hows the idle on this thing :lol:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QrqN-BIumSk&NR=1

by **Gunns** » January 15th, 2009, 3:12 pm

That is Craptaclua !

by **BROCKYB8** » January 15th, 2009, 3:20 pm

lol gunns be nice .

by **travs ea-xr6** » January 15th, 2009, 3:25 pm

it sounds like that because the exhaust is like 3inch 3 1/2 inch

by **BROCKYB8** » January 15th, 2009, 6:12 pm

WEll i think that u need to come to a cruise and here soem of the cars idle then u see why his comments are like that

by **XR_Lightning** » January 15th, 2009, 6:13 pm

BROCKYB8 wrote:WEll i think that u need to come to a cruise and here soem of the cars idle then u see why his comments are like that

lol, yep, your car for one scotty

by **purped** » January 15th, 2009, 6:58 pm

sounds like a harley

by **BROCKYB8** » January 16th, 2009, 7:46 am

XR_Lightning wrote:
BROCKYB8 wrote:WEll i think that u need to come to a cruise and here soem of the cars idle then u see why his comments are like that

lol, yep, your car for one scotty

mY car is very quiet car i dont know what your talking about.
But mine doesnt saound that bad. Mine just loud and lumpy lol

by **kizzer** » January 16th, 2009, 4:41 pm

lol deltas car is tough as.

by **Malakai** » January 16th, 2009, 4:51 pm

Should probably replace the spark plug that's not working and put an exhaust on the car.

by **ed40** » January 16th, 2009, 6:38 pm

You guys bagging that car out are fucken idiots. If you heard it in real life no doubt, you would come in pants, hard. He is on this forum and the car is fucken fast, makes me piss everytime.

by **purped** » January 16th, 2009, 6:49 pm

ed40 wrote:You guys bagging that car out are fucken idiots. If you heard it in real life no doubt, you would come in pants, hard. He is on this forum and the car is fucken fast, makes me piss everytime.

why are we idiots ? for having an opinion
as you said above you have your opinion an we/me have ours
maybe if you did not piss in it every time it would sound better
:lol:

by **ed40** » January 16th, 2009, 6:54 pm

Well if you can form a solid opinion over a low quality video then good for you buddy.

by **Cy4NiD3** » January 16th, 2009, 6:56 pm

Second Kizzer's and ed40's comments this thing is touch and sounds mint goes hardd makes cars piss

by **Boogar** » January 16th, 2009, 7:26 pm

rank, this thing sounds horrible man.

Sounds like someone took the motor out of a trawler! :lol:

a 305* duration cam will do that to the idle note though.

by **Fritzz** » January 16th, 2009, 9:39 pm

LOL

its just got a big surecam turbo grind in it, with 300deg+ and single 3.5" exhaust. i think it may have been un tuned at this stage, but no missing leadsLOL

by **delta** » January 17th, 2009, 3:46 am

Yep it was untuned. And yes 300+ deg cams will make the idle sound unlike anything you've heard before. If you don't like it - who cares. The car is quick and sounds nice in real life.

by **travs ea-xr6** » January 17th, 2009, 1:19 pm

is it turbod now delta

by **delta** » January 17th, 2009, 7:45 pm

It was turbo'd when that film was taken. It has been turbo for longer than this site has existed hahaha. Infact besides the AVO/AIT semi factory jobbies it was one of the very first aftermarket turbo falcons completed. Back when I was buying parts people looked at me like I was on drugs when I told them I was turboing an E-series - no one had ever heard of one being done and everyone told me I was wasting my money. Just under 400rwhp doesn't lie tho - it was a good choice.

by **BROCKYB8** » January 17th, 2009, 7:51 pm

ed40 wrote:You guys bagging that car out are fucken idiots. If you heard it in real life no doubt, you would come in pants, hard. He is on this forum and the car is fucken fast, makes me piss everytime.

Well it doesnt sound right in that clip thats all i said mate.
nothign else .
im sure that it will sound good now and im sure it goes hard .
i think that some people really get really over protective.
I seen other clips of this car and yeah it looked good.

by **BROCKYB8** » January 17th, 2009, 7:58 pm

delta wrote:It was turbo'd when that film was taken. It has been turbo for longer than this site has existed hahaha. Infact besides the AVO/AIT semi factory jobbies it was one of the very first aftermarket turbo falcons completed. Back when I was buying parts people looked at me like I was on drugs when I told them I was turboing an E-series - no one had ever heard of one being done and everyone told me I was wasting my money. Just under 400rwhp doesn't lie tho - it was a good choice.

Mate thats good when did you start this work .
Well there have been turbod e series alot longer then this website for sure .
its not like we are bagging you on here it was just a comment on the way it sounded in that clip.
Chuck some new clips of the car up for us so we can here it now

by **delta** » January 17th, 2009, 8:09 pm

It doesn't sound all that different now its tuned, it just idles a little higher and slightly smoother - if you guys have never heard a 300+ deg cam in a 4L then I can certainly understand why you think it sounds terrible. So many experts here with big hp - yet none can recognize a massive cam in a 4L.....The guys on here who know the car like ED40 Cyanide Kizzer Fritzz etc have all seen the car IRL and know what its like and whats in it - because I talk to them and have tried to help them along the way if they needed it with their setups. Everyone here just seems to want to bag people out - then you get told its actually a fast car and everyone backpedals. Reminds me why I don't post here.

by **galapogos01** » January 17th, 2009, 9:15 pm

why are you a member then?

by **delta** » January 17th, 2009, 9:57 pm

For those of you who want to hear it driving.

Low boost, just taking it around the block

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrj4ZC3tfus

by **delta** » January 17th, 2009, 10:05 pm

galapogos01 wrote:why are you a member then?

Because others I know are on here, and I have a boosted e-series. Plenty of people to give answers on here, so I don't have to post - and its not mandatory. Normally I'm quite happy to post on a forum, however here I'm not as comfortable - I don't think my expertise would be appreciated (or thats how it feels anyway). I was one of the pioneers - but I've not continued to spend and spend - so not much in the way of updates from me either. Others continue to post updates and show what they are doing - perhaps when I get around to doing the bottom end build on this car I'll post some more.

by **galapogos01** » January 18th, 2009, 9:32 am

I think your expertise would be welcomed and don't quite get why you wouldn't want to post! Noone cares if you spend a little or a lot or how often you change your setup.

I wouldnt crack the shits just because a couple of 15 year olds think your car idles funny either, **** 'em. It sounds tough as.

Your WB02 reads a little lean in that vid!!

by **Jake** » January 18th, 2009, 9:59 am

I'm with galapogos01, I think the more people who know what they are talking about the better

I think the rule for this site is something like... unless you know what you are talking about, then don't post...
If you do know what you are talking about, then your posts are welcomed

You should put up a build thread or something, people like you (who know all about this stuff) teach people like me (who don't know too much about this stuff, but want to learn more)

by **travs ea-xr6** » January 18th, 2009, 12:31 pm

just watch the vid seems to go prity hard for just a back street test

whats it like on fuel with the real lumpy cam,is it your daily car

by **delta** » January 18th, 2009, 6:10 pm

Its my daily. With big cam and hi stall its not great on fuel, around 13-14L/100km on average.

by **Boogar** » January 20th, 2009, 6:38 pm

haha that's the same as my EF n/a Justin... glad to know there won't be much difference in fuel usage

by **delta** » January 20th, 2009, 9:07 pm

Boogar wrote:haha that's the same as my EF n/a Justin... glad to know there won't be much difference in fuel usage

Either your right foot is glued to the floor - or something is broken

No way it should be using that much fuel NA.

by **travs ea-xr6** » January 20th, 2009, 9:12 pm

maby theres something wrong with your map sensor mate or o2 sensor,colant sensor,or faulty fuel reg.give them a check

by **Bipolar** » January 20th, 2009, 9:57 pm

I don't like a lot of treble in an exhaust note, but that sounds tuff as! Looks fast too.

by **BROCKYB8** » January 21st, 2009, 9:14 am

delta wrote:It doesn't sound all that different now its tuned, it just idles a little higher and slightly smoother - if you guys have never heard a 300+ deg cam in a 4L then I can certainly understand why you think it sounds terrible. So many experts here with big hp - yet none can recognize a massive cam in a 4L.....The guys on here who know the car like ED40 Cyanide Kizzer Fritzz etc have all seen the car IRL and know what its like and whats in it - because I talk to them and have tried to help them along the way if they needed it with their setups. Everyone here just seems to want to bag people out - then you get told its actually a fast car and everyone backpedals. Reminds me why I don't post here.

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Mate i didnt back pedal at all and mine has a massive cam and didnt sound the same way. . Thus why i said it didnt sound right. Mind you i didnt realise also that it was turbo.
I saw your other clip and i reckon it sounds a a bit different from that first one but hey thats just me .
Look im all for people chatting on here about things but mate you really need to understand that alot of people will make comments . Some of us may not be at all mechanically minded. Ill definatly put my hand up for that one.

by **delta** » January 21st, 2009, 3:12 pm

BROCKYB8 wrote:
delta wrote:It doesn't sound all that different now its tuned, it just idles a little higher and slightly smoother - if you guys have never heard a 300+ deg cam in a 4L then I can certainly understand why you think it sounds terrible. So many experts here with big hp - yet none can recognize a massive cam in a 4L.....The guys on here who know the car like ED40 Cyanide Kizzer Fritzz etc have all seen the car IRL and know what its like and whats in it - because I talk to them and have tried to help them along the way if they needed it with their setups. Everyone here just seems to want to bag people out - then you get told its actually a fast car and everyone backpedals. Reminds me why I don't post here.

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Mate i didnt back pedal at all and mine has a massive cam and didnt sound the same way. . Thus why i said it didnt sound right. Mind you i didnt realise also that it was turbo.
I saw your other clip and i reckon it sounds a a bit different from that first one but hey thats just me .
Look im all for people chatting on here about things but mate you really need to understand that alot of people will make comments . Some of us may not be at all mechanically minded. Ill definatly put my hand up for that one.

This cam is over 550thou lift and over 300deg. No one makes an off the shelf that big, in fact the ONLY place that was going to do one that big was surecam. Everyone else I talked to wouldn't go that big. Don't know the specifics of your car but considering you are making around the 210rwhp mark I don't think your cam is all that big. My housemates car made just over 220rwhp with a DEV5 which really isn't all that big a cam. Massive means its NOT going to idle at all without aftermarket management and a raised idle rpm. My vacuum at idle is about 4-6"Hg. So yep I'm sure your cam didn't sound like my mine - coz your cam is WAY smaller and your exhaust I gather is not 3.5".

Yes it does sound slightly different (as i said) - but not much, its just the tuning has helped to smooth it out slightly. Cars always sound very different inside to outside as well - so that's probably a lot of the difference to the untuned idle vid.

Its ok to make comments - its the internet and that's fine - but then by the same token it should be my right to comment on the comments. I'm not a fan of comments made with little to no understanding. If I don't know much about something then I don't say anything, I watch, listen and learn instead. Not enough of that these days, too many people who are quick to judge with no knowledge.

by **BROCKYB8** » January 21st, 2009, 3:45 pm

[/quote]Yes it does sound slightly different (as i said) - but not much, its just the tuning has helped to smooth it out slightly. Cars always sound very different inside to outside as well - so that's probably a lot of the difference to the untuned idle vid.[/quote]

Thats all i said mate . Please understand i did not comment on your car saying its shit or it is crap.
i purely said that id didnt sound good.
The second one to me sound a hell alot differnt but thats just me .
As for the commenting about your car we made was all due just the video.
No information bout the car was put up so i could know why it sounded that way.

PLease realise that although i dont know alot about mechanics i can read and understand things that way.
And in saying that i havent seen build thread or anythign about this car.

I just find it funny why you have got so upset about a comment on the sound .

by **delta** » January 21st, 2009, 6:03 pm

I'm actually not upset at all - just pointing out your opinion is not well informed. You do realise that youtube has a comments section.....and information IS posted in that area by me after some people asked questions. So its not that much of a stretch to expect people to know SOMETHING about the car before saying it sounds like shit. But that's the internet, misinformed comments all round.

Two separate comments I made were:

"Head is ported, compression is lowered to around 8.5:1 to suit turbo. Engine management is EMS8860, injectors are 72lb/h siemens. Bosch 044 fuel pump, GT35/40R turbo."

"Its a custom grind from surecam. IIRC its 305deg advertised duration and 0.550" lift"

Neither of those is actually completely correct. I've since worked out the compression to be 8.1:1 and the cam has 327deg adv duration, around 260deg @ 0.050" and peak lift of 0.554" at the valve. When I quoted the figures I was just trying to remember what was on the sheet as I didn't have it handy.

There is no build thread on here - like I said I'm a member but don't really post here for various reasons.

by **Boogar** » February 5th, 2009, 9:01 pm

delta wrote:
Boogar wrote:haha that's the same as my EF n/a Justin... glad to know there won't be much difference in fuel usage

Either your right foot is glued to the floor - or something is broken No way it should be using that much fuel NA.

haha ask Mick... He tuned the bloody thing :lol:

only has tickford head/fuel reg/diff ratio, 1636 cam and the EMS in it haha. afaik nothing is broken anymore. everything that has let go has been replaced and/or upgraded. actually the only thing that hasn't been touched is the rotating assembly, pistons/rods/crank. that'll have to come with the next build methinks.

although yes, my right boot is usually pretty close to the floor in that - it has to be to make it go anywhere the fat pig bitch piece of crap. Ask Rob whenever I have to pick him up to go anywhere; which is a lot these days. I'm glad there won't be much difference when the huffer is on though, in fact it might even get better!

Seriously though, that idle sounds fully shit man. Take the trawler engine out and put the 4L back in yeah?

by **TAXI** » February 5th, 2009, 9:51 pm

Well i reckon that sound's great, love the sound of big cams. that's why my poxy little wade is getting replace'd with a bigger one. and the person that think's it sound's like a trawler should go buy a honda civic with a cannon on it.

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