Is the world going to end 2012

[vulpine]

can you link these to your theoretical n/a power outputs for boosted engines? Or will that speed up the 2012 prophecy?

unega wohali says he isnt sure about 2012, his calendar actually had it penciled in for 2015, but he said he is sure in 2012 your car will still be slow no matter what else happens.
poverty is relative.
speed is relative.
time is relative.
knowledge is relative.
there is only one thing that matters. (quote from city slickers)
Its not my fault you cant understand simple physics, newtons second law for example about traction and its effects on et.
relative power to air density ratios and how to calculate if it is better to simply add more boost like a spaz or develop power in a more effective way.

[Gozza]

can you link these to your theoretical n/a power outputs for boosted engines? Or will that speed up the 2012 prophecy?

unega wohali says he isnt sure about 2012, his calendar actually had it penciled in for 2015, but he said he is sure in 2012 your car will still be slow no matter

LOL

[vulpine]

there is some scientific evidence which semi supports some of the prophecies.
for example, as we pass through the milky way belt, two things are increasing.
1. the magnetic north and south shift rate (and eventual reversal).
2. asteroid collision is increased as we pass through areas of higher density.
also there is a very remote chance of a 2km wide asteroid colliding with earth in 2019 (nasa reports), which is "7 years" after the blood moon.
seven years being the period of tribulation in the Qoran.
The prophecies arent that interesting on their own, what is interesting is how they all inter link.
never in the history of the world has so many different religions had the same vision.
by the way nasa (1987)predicted solar flares and maxima in about 2018, with pre 2012 heat waves. followed by a cold snap for about 11 years, and another heat wave around 2032 and many scientists believe will be followed by a mini ice age as happened 10 thousand years ago.
The water shortages may last till about 2019, meaning massive crop failures world wide
csiro has done a lot of research on volcanic activity and its effect on carbon buildup in the atmosphere as it is already too late to reverse the damage to the atmospher which has gone over critical mass........triggers plate instability and erruptions.
(think dinosaur ecosystem)
The finding was that the carbon levels in the atmosphere will probably end up about 400% higher than they are now.
Although american scientists state this means a lot of plant growth as its a green house, the problem is..........humans did not exist during the period when this environment existed, and it was not until the levels reduced to about 20% that they began and dinosaurs ended and volcanoes stopped.
also sumaria is now iraq, which is interesting considering the war implications.
biggest volcano in history is now active under the sea.
biggest cyclone in history was 2 years ago east of darwin.
biggest tsunami asia

[Commando]

(Edit - I have to say, top call lol) So how's your fast car coming along vulpine?

csiro has done a lot of research on volcanic activity and its effect on carbon buildup in the atmosphere as it is already too late to reverse the damage to the atmospher which has gone over critical mass........triggers plate instability and erruptions.

How does what's in the air impact on the tectonic plates? Isn't it the lavalamp-style uprising & then sinking of magma which drags the plates around?

biggest volcano in history is now active under the sea.
biggest cyclone in history was 2 years ago east of darwin.
biggest tsunami asia

Evidence?

[vulpine]

as more carbon gets into the atmosphere, there is increased temperature, causing increased expansion.
water levels will rise due not to ice melting but to increased temperature.
as for evidence, you can either look up the research on historic events, or the current research on the volcanic activity in the pacific ring of fire.
historic is more effective as there is a long lag time between cause and effect and the current levels have increased about 1000% faster than in historical data, therefore, the effect will be out of phase with the trend data.

I get bored easily so I research things, like carbon tax, the bush family tree and its link to brown harryman bank and the nazi party.
did you know that prescott bush was convicted of war crimes after funding the nazi party war machine, but was 5 years later made a senator.
His son made head of the cia and elected president
his grand son elected president.
Interestingly, Prescott bush may have almost single handedly pushed usa from 12th power in the world to 1st.
not bad for a guy that started as a boxing prize fighter

[vulpine]

actually ill say a few things more.
there are two types of people.
Those who seek the answers and those who wait for the answers to be handed to them on a plate.

the evidence is easily accessible to everyone.
csiro, cia, nasa, nato, un amnesty, icc all have information available to the public.
give a guy a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime.
oh and unega wohali said get off your lazy arse and do some research for yourself.

[Commando]

Water expansion results in a decrease in density. So, even though the water is taking up more volume, it's applying the same pressure to the surface. <-- http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_water.htm

Wasn't the US arguably #1 after WWII?

I found out that unega wohali is actually hakuna matata. It was on news.com.au. Find the link.

[vulpine]

this is true for a uniform container, but water in the ocean only has to change temperature a small amount and will overflow onto what is currently a large part of the worlds land mass, result is a transfer of weight aswell as flooding.
also the core temperature will be effected, which may have a much larger effect.
thanks for the link though commando, was an interesting read.
If you look up most ten year planning authories around australia, you will probably find the predicted water level has flooded most of the water frontage.
many islands in the pacific for example will not exist.
This isnt a theory, its an expectation which most government bodies accept, even if they dont admit it.
fact is, with carbon lag causing effects to take decades, and the current rate rise already being past critical, even if we took effect now, it would be about 2060 before we could get back to a safe level.
It should also be noted that without oil, the human race will need to reduce to between 1/4th to /16th of the current population.
oil based fertilizer (most common due to depleted natural) being the biggest problem.
Combine that with crop failures due to changing climate...already happening with rice crops(largest staple diet in the world) all over the world failing this year.
people are already lining up in america for food.
csiro did find out an interesting secret about weather trends and a place in australia which has not changed at all in the last 50 years.
this place will not be effected by polar reversal as its position relative will not change.
this place has not changed at all in weather in the last 50 years, so in theory will have little effect from future trends.
has few fault lines
is high enough to avoid flooding
will increase slightly in rain fall.
and im not telling you where it is until i own a property there. Im not even sure csiro actually knows what they discovered.

[vulpine]

Water expansion results in a decrease in density. So, even though the water is taking up more volume, it's applying the same pressure to the surface. <-- http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_water.htm

Wasn't the US arguably #1 after WWII?

I found out that unega wohali is actually hakuna matata. It was on news.com.au. Find the link.

that comment about hakuna matata made me spit my coffee over the screen lol.
I will have to watch lion king again or learn Swahili

after ww2 america was #1 and it was a direct result of what prescott bush did along with his mates rothchild etc.
in 1917 there was also a group founded which believed in a superior race within humanity. (similar to the later nazi master race)
they were located in america, and most of the group which funded and assisted the nazi party were members, aswell as several presidents.
If you look hard enough, you can find the ledger from their annual meetings which gives the members list.

[Commando]

so if the sealevel rises 1m, and floods across a 1m contour, I doubt that would creep very far inland in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure the crust would handle an extra 1 ton of water on top of it in certain places, and in a sense 1 ton less across the current oceans.

Ever watched Waterworld?
Kevin Costner's in it.
He has gills.
Top stuff

The nazis helped form oil-based fertilizers
2nd line here

I choose not to look into ledgers. The only Ledger worth looking into will be Matilda, when she's 18.

[Malakai]

Vulpine I'm sorry to say but I find myself skipping right past any of your posts that are longer than a line or two. I'm trying hard not to but so far that hasn't been working out for me.

[Gozza]

Maybe you should then Brett. I'm finding certain posts interesting. Vulpine im waiting furiously for Bloodline reference lol. I don't spend my days scouring the bowels of the internet for this shit but if it comes up in conversation, i slightly indulge haha

[Nikk O'lass]

so if the sealevel rises 1m, and floods across a 1m contour, I doubt that would creep very far inland in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure the crust would handle an extra 1 ton of water on top of it in certain places, and in a sense 1 ton less across the current oceans.
.

If the ice melts the sea level won't rise anyway, the ice displaces as much water as it contains...

[vulpine]

it is estimated that a sea level rise of just 20 cm could create 740,000 homeless people in Nigeria alone.
sea ice roughly displaces water 1 to 1, however, land based ice does not and would contribute a massive amount of water displacement.
one tonne is only 1000L. im thinking it would take a lot more than 1000L to displace 740000 people on in one country alone.
The tsunami demonstrated how flat the land is and how far inland water will go with a relatively small increase in height.

another issue is trapped carbon dioxide in the sea. with only a couple of degrees rise, huge amounts of co2 will be released from the sea which is currently contained. Though this is a relatively new finding, it is well documented.
the sea currents have started to change aswell. these feed the weather systems, and two good indicators of how much they have changed can be seen in the number of shark attacks in australia being higher than the last decade combined in the first quarter of this year, and an entire penguin population which arrived 5000kms off course when their migration was meant to go to africa. the currents normally did a 90 degree turn at the bottom of south america, but this year it never happened.

[vulpine]

I choose not to look into ledgers. The only Ledger worth looking into will be Matilda, when she's 18.

hmm you still got a bag of lollies in the car lol.

[Malakai]

If the ice melts the sea level won't rise anyway, the ice displaces as much water as it contains...

it is estimated that a sea level rise of just 20 cm could create 740,000 homeless people in Nigeria alone.

Less spam yay!

[Commando]

one tonne is only 1000L. im thinking it would take a lot more than 1000L to displace 740000 people on in one country alone.

I meant if the water level is 1m deep, and 1m of water is probably putting out 1 tonne of weight evenly across the area of land. If you had 100 sets of scales set in a grid of 10m x 10m beneath the water and the land, each scale would have one tonne extra showing up from the water.

The tsunami demonstrated how flat the land is and how far inland water will go with a relatively small increase in height.

The tsunami also had a great force behind it, notice how it receded again?

another issue is trapped carbon dioxide in the sea. with only a couple of degrees rise, huge amounts of co2 will be released from the sea which is currently contained. Though this is a relatively new finding, it is well documented.

Are we talking dissolved CO2 here, or pockets on the ocean floor? The ocean's surface is a membrane, sometimes it sucks up CO2 other times it realeases it. Flux.

hmm you still got a bag of lollies in the car lol.

Naw, but there was a loli in the car this morning

[vulpine]

just found this link which backs up what i was saying about transfer of water weight.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/ ... uakes.html

[Commando]

Burgmann isn't too worried about sea level rise causing more earthquakes or volcanic eruptions though, noting that catastrophic rates of sea level rise in the future are uncertain and that the current rate of rise—about 0.12 inches per year (3 millimeters per year)—isn't enough to destabilize the crust.

"It would take a long time to add up to a significant amount," Burgmann said—so while it's an area of research to keep an eye on, it's unlikely to have any disastrous consequences, at least for now.

And, regarding the land ice (Antarctica, Greenland/Canada), that shit is kilometres thick. It won't disappear overnight. And normal tundra areas already go through crazy freeze/thaw cycles which totally **** up the infrastructure in those areas. If the ice retreats, the tundra will advance bit by bit. But it won't happen overnight.

[vulpine]

here is an interesting bit of research.
http://www.nersc.gov/news/annual_report ... -heat.html
One of the reasons the government isnt jumping into carbon reductions is that we needed to act 30 years ago.

[Malakai]

This is how I know that I'm doing my part to stop global warming.

[vulpine]

the timeline for everything relating to climate change is in decades. however the climate changes started 50 years ago.
sea current changes will happen over a year or two
weather patterns change over a year.
mini ice ages happen over a decade.
volcanic activity and earth quake activity has been building dramatically over the last 5 years.
its not any one thing, there is atleast ten critical factors which all feed each other.
there is a critical mass effect between carbon dioxide and the eccosystem.
I will look up some historic trends and try and work out a prediction from them based on current trends.
Problem with most articles is they fail to take more than a few things into consideration and dont want to step on toes.
Will probably take about a week lol.

[Frost]

vulpine after reading through all your shit. This Picture reminds me of you.



Live life

[Gozza]

I reckon that's actually your mum

[Commando]

volcanic activity and earth quake activity has been building dramatically over the last 5 years.

Evidence?

Hint: if you say "hakuna matata said look for it yourself, you lazy ass. Plus people hate being downwind of you" or something similar, ban. Coz I'm on dialup.

[vulpine]

i didnt think anyone was on dialup anymore
the problem with the data currently available based on trends is it does not take into account the current situation is not a "normal" trend.
2007 the UN released a prediction based on "trends" which has already been shown as totally floored.
Too many factors are cascading for a solid prediction. many scientists are predicting rates of rise with a +/- 200% error factor.
sea level rise is only one issue. There are many which will effect australia, sea level effects a lot of other nations a lot more, indirectly effecting australia.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 42087.html
By 2020 millions of people are likely to be relocated from their homes around the world.

[Malakai]

Yeah now that everyone is on broadband dial-up is really fast.

[vulpine]

volcanic activity and earth quake activity has been building dramatically over the last 5 years.

Evidence?

Hint: if you say "hakuna matata said look for it yourself, you lazy ass. Plus people hate being downwind of you" or something similar, ban . Coz I'm on dialup.

http://earth.webecs.co.uk/index.htm
will try and find a quantified explanation of volcanic activity, but its harder to define. The largest volcano in history now active, and another growing 1000feet in five years might be an indicator though.
will thermal images from space showing massive hotspots do.
the 2007 UN sea level rate of rise figures have been shown to be less than 40% of the current estimate. The greenland ice melt alone has contributed 1mm sea level increase, and nasa recorded over 2mm higher rises than the ground based observations.
Biggest problem calculating the full effect is the statistics are mostly based on trend data, and the current situation does not follow "normal" trend.
it should also be remembered that ice does not melt till it reaches 4 degrees, so in many cases it will not be a slow climate change, it will be quite fast, where temperatures have slowly been increasing for decades without any effect till reaching a critical point(e.g. greenland).
core temperature increase and resultant expansion will cause sea floor elevations to laterally shift water.
csiro predicts man made co2 levels to level off about 2150 at around 550ppm which does not take into account the cascading effect on natural factors.
polution levels take years from cause to effect.
The implication of all this on anyone living today are bad but considering around 2150 many places in the world will either be under water, suffering massive tide surges or reaching temperatures in excess of 60 degrees celcius(denatures enzymes), i think we shouldnt complain.
anyway, this all from my simply saying there is science which does support some of the prophecies lol.

[FordFairmont]

2012 not soon enough

[vulpine]

well other than the earth quakes and volcanic activity happening including yellowstone, there is one other thing which will bring some relatively quick results.
the sun is about to go into a unusually high level of activity, which will cause crop devistation, drought, climate change and more volcanic activity.
the earth is entering an area of high asteroid density, increasing the chance of impact.
i think im starting to repeat what i started with, so I might stop here lol.
the prophecy isnt that the human race will end at 2012. there is a prophecy of the howling of the wolves at the blood moon.
it signifies the point at which the wolf can no longer protect man from what is to come in the future.
the christian bible describes it as when the gates of hell are opened and hell on earth begins.
the date is the due date for natural events to take hold as they have done four times before now.
it might take 100 years, it might take 10. considering the timetable spans 26 thousand years and 5 earth altering natural events, the predictions are not to the hour.
i know of four visions which relate to the blood moon.
1. war
2. ice and people hunting people
3. volcanoes
4. meteorite storms destoying everything in their path
these four visions were had by 'shaman' in australia, japan, china, north america and central america around the same time in the 1970s.
these visions were in the form of recuring dreams which repeated for years.
When described in detail they matched the prophecies which were passed down from generation to generation by the hopi.

[vulpine]

vulpine after reading through all your shit. This Picture reminds me of you.



Live life

close but im not wearing undies

[rhys]

these four visions were had by 'shaman' in australia, japan, china, north america and central america around the same time in the 1970s.
these visions were in the form of recuring dreams which repeated for years.
When described in detail they matched the prophecies which were passed down from generation to generation by the hopi.

man it seems your taking this way too seriously. history is of full of crap where the gaps have been filled in or embellished later on to suit the story.

creationists who defend the idea the earth is only 6000 years old and that micro evolution exists but macro doesn't (wtf by the way) have been doing this for years. so have the producers of 'the great global warming swindle', both in the face of mountains of evidence.

Its easy to look back and say that these guys all had the same dream, same events blah blah blah. being passed down thru generations what probably happend was the stories mixed together, from storms, to storms and volcanoes, to storms, volcanoes and fires.

its all too easy to get wound up in consipiracies and prophecies because as humans we want to be curious and break the mould from what we currently believe

and im sure you know but if documented history is anything to go by, there is nothing more unreliable than prophecies about doomsday and Armageddon

[Nikk O'lass]

WGAF, MJ is dead, and thats all that matters.

[vulpine]

there is a saying: "you wont see the world by looking in a mirror."

its very easy to say this is crap, that is crap, its all crap.
its a lot harder to explore the belief or theory to determin its validity.
i dont see this as expression of belief, i see it as a chance to discuss it, and identify errors.
none of the true prophecy or science is total crap.
There is always something to be learned.
you could say the prophecy of pahana is to make the followers stick to tradition.
You could say the prophecy of the cherokee is sour grapes about their treatment by white americans.
The sumarian calender isnt a prophecy, it was a science as much as a religion.
there is no evidence the calender is a doomsday prediction, it may simply be the 26,000 year "cycle" and if its a cycle, there is no reason to continue it past december 2012, simply restart it.
as far back as 1987, scientists had predicted solar activity alone would cause most of the effects we are starting to see now. The theory was not disputed and is due to the cyclic nature of the sun....sumarians based the calender on the sun.
i guess the oil companies didnt see a problem in blaming the sun, so the science was widely accepted.

also, most of information which is being discussed is either "pre history" or future. It isnt about "modern history" which is total crap.
an example about how crap modern history is:
step 1. kuwait was drilling into the iraq oil fields under the border reducing the oil flow which caused iraq to invade their borders when kuwait refused to stop.
step 2. Kuwait sold the rights to a loan iraq had taken out with them to fund their war with iran.(arms supplied by usa)
invasion of iraq was over the kuwait loan to iraq
step 3. The loan was purchased from kuwait by the world bank at a fraction of its worth and if UN sanctions had continued, would have been lost after 12 years of sanctions.(there was about 6 months left)
step 4. Paul Wolfowitz former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense walked into the bush office one day after 911 with a plan to invade iraq. He later left the whitehouse
to become the 10th President of the World Bank....

[Nikk O'lass]

The CIA also Destableised Iran, the last democraticaly voted leader was ousted in 1953 buy a CIA sectioned coup d'etat. A new president was installed and lead to the country falling under the power of a dictatorship.


The country now has a anti-western pro Islamic government.


And this was all over oil...

America cause more trouble then they solve, and when they 'solve' things, it is boarderline criminal.

[vulpine]

the head of the united nations described the united states as the greatest threat to world peace in the history of mankind

[vulpine]

there is an interesting thing america does.
when ever a country has a policy which does not allow investment or ownership by companies outside their country, america wages a political and publicity war on them and tries to crush their ecconomy.
examples of countries which did not allow american investment(which means political ecconomic manipulation)
china, russia, north korea, iran.
interestingly, as soon as china and russia allowed overseas companies to invest, america became top trading partners.
america tried to threaten the EU, to which the EUpointed out, the combined EU ecconomy is stronger than the US and if they attempted to play hard ball either in a military or ecconomic manner, the EU would destroy the US ecconomy.
I think from the statements the UN and EU have issued in the past, the US is very much on its own.
It doesnt have friends, it has trading partners.
I see america as an immature kid pointing a loaded gun at a room full of people who want to watch days of our lives, forcing them to watch rambo 25 times straight on tv.
everyone is watching the kid, wondering if he will shoot them if they try to change the channel.

[vulpine]

The CIA also Destableised Iran, the last democraticaly voted leader was ousted in 1953 buy a CIA sectioned coup d'etat. A new president was installed and lead to the country falling under the power of a dictatorship.


The country now has a anti-western pro Islamic government.


And this was all over oil...

America cause more trouble then they solve, and when they 'solve' things, it is boarderline criminal.

will have to look into that one, I thought after the cia was caught spying on iran in 1979 the iran government was fairly anti american.
america was kicked out of iran, and all ties cut....till about 6 months ago.
during this time, any passing of information between america and iran had to go through the swiss.
isnt it funny how 6 months after ties with US are re instated, iran is going into melt down.

the international criminal courts have criminal trials waiting for rumsfield, powel and both bush senior and bush junior for war crimes.
the only reason they havent already been charged with war crimes is the american government does not recognise the icc, or any other international organisation unless it suits their own gains.
The EU and UN should get their act together and threaten USA with sanctions if they dont pull their head in.
now america is using drone bombers to attack people in pakistan and afghanistan which means without any risk of deaths, they have no accountability at all for their actions.
The only thing the usa government was held accountable before was usa deaths in war zones.
one of the reasons usa gave for invading iraq was the suspected use of drone bombers by the iraq military......

[vulpine]

well since this post started, the official word has changed a bit.
now, the scientists say its too late to stop global warming, but we may be able to limit it to 2 degrees if we act now( expect a 6 degree rise by 2050 personally).
a couple of weeks ago, an 8.6 earth quake hit near NZ and the eastern sea board of australia had a tsunami alert.
in the three days, there has been an 8.3 in samoa, 7.3 and 6.8 earth quake which combined killed over 1000 people in indonesia, along with a tsunami which killed 120 people and counting.
at the same time, there was a huge cyclone hit vietnam and death count there is about 40 so far.
the big question ....is this a sign of things to come, or a one off.

[[Sterling]]

well since this post started, the official word has changed a bit.
now, the scientists say its too late to stop global warming, but we may be able to limit it to 2 degrees if we act now( expect a 6 degree rise by 2050 personally).
a couple of weeks ago, an 8.6 earth quake hit near NZ and the eastern sea board of australia had a tsunami alert.
in the three days, there has been an 8.3 in samoa, 7.3 and 6.8 earth quake which combined killed over 1000 people in indonesia, along with a tsunami which killed 120 people and counting.
at the same time, there was a huge cyclone hit vietnam and death count there is about 40 so far.
the big question ....is this a sign of things to come, or a one off.

this give me a valid reason to:
a)drink more
b)have more meaningless sex with females
c)spend more money
d)live life
e)all of thee above.