turbo help!!!

[OMY-747]

Pretty sure 6boost warranty still continues on through purchasers even, so you don't have to be the original buyer.

Not sure if your able to see this without being a member or not, but look here for a heap of 6boost info and products etc.

http://calaisturbo.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=74

[needfordspeed]

this discussion was recently had with 6-boost and myself do we need to do it again??

Please don't abuse me, but what'd 6BOOST say and where is the discussion?

What's this about iceman? Keen to hear.

I had a look on FM, it seems like iceman is telling the truth and it's been deleted.

[iceman]

telling the truth why would i lie ?? , since when has my character been drawn in question here needforspeed?

we had many productions over the years of the stage 4 manifolds , i am unsure which of them had the collector made from thinner material as the issue of manifolds cracking didnt appear for years and again has been only in limited numbers

the original stage 4 design was merged collector , however during the production it was changed to setup the bolt on external wastegate adaptor ( which was good idea but also provided a weak point ) when we found there could be issues we then decided to dedicate the production manifolds to the base level kits and go back to fabricating the top end kits/manifolds - when all the stock was sold we didnt continue the production

all the manifolds sold with kits ect are now supplied with the hand fabricated versions which have very little in common to the older stage 4 which is my entire point here , the build threads show this so its no secret - i gave tony a link to oatsies build which is the current stage 3 turbo system and documents ( with pictures ) the product and results

as much as you guys may want to see 6-boost and myself go to war the chance are very low - i have had conversations with kyle regarding manifold design and sent through pictures to show him our many other products ( as he to was under the assumption we only sold the production manifolds ) take a look into edfairmontturbo build thread - scorches - and it shows only too well we can provide product to any level ( and usually a better price )

[OMY-747]

You can get 6boost manifolds for a b series motor for $1,200 for t3 flange and $1,300 for split pulse t4. Last I looked on your site your stage 6 manifold was $1,500?

[67rce]

You may provide a cheaper product, but it isn't just the price that sells goods. Quality, after sales service, performance etc influence things too. There are people here who have har multiple dealings with yourself and 6Boost, and the service they have recieved from both parties is drastically different. A bitter taste remains long after cheaper prices are forgotten.

[iceman]

maybe so but when do you speak for everyone 67rice , we have provided product/services well beyond what some of our customers have paid for not always have we got it right but never have we refused helping a customer

our stage 6 manifolds are advertized on our site for 1499.00 but in most cases we sell them for much less follow the link here and it will show how cheap you can purchase them http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 1085835637

[ef_falcon_95]

I brought a snort stage 2 turbo kit second hand . Its a low mount stainless turbo manifold . It has a crack between 2 and 3 runner and its warped slightly .

[OMY-747]

Prices that I've seen though shows 6boost's t4 split pulse manifold at $1,300 only $1 more then a snort stage 4 at $1,299. And like I said above a t3 6boost can be had for $1,200.

[iceman]

a low mounted stage 2 snort kit would have to be a log manifold? we have not sold kits with log manifolds for eons

[TUFED6]

Why only schedule 10? Don't most people use Schedule 40?

What is the wall thickness? 3-4mm?

[iceman]

what is shown on our site atm is older product - as i have said here how many times now WE DONT STOCK/SUPPLY the production stage 4 manifolds only hand fabricated

our stage 6 manifolds are made from s/steel steam pipe 50mm the costs to produce these is much higher then 1 1/2 inch mild steel hence the price

[ef_falcon_95]

Yeah it's a log

[iceman]

s10 steam pipe s/steel is all thats required - the manifolds already weigh in at around 13-14kgs at this point , i am unsure what wall thickness the other use etm makes his manifolds from the same material as we do , when you compare equal wall thickness s/steel will outlast mild steel

[iceman]

it must be a very old kit but in any case it can be repaired , the very early log manifolds where made by a local exhaust shop and mig welded but they are made from s/steel steam pipe so repairing it would be no problem

[TUFED6]

So is S10 stainless the same wall thickness as S40 mild? Looks like the sizes are all different stainless vs mild.

[iceman]

no mate s40 is thicker wall thickness ( smaller inside diameter )

[ef_falcon_95]

it must be a very old kit but in any case it can be repaired , the very early log manifolds where made by a local exhaust shop and mig welded but they are made from s/steel steam pipe so repairing it would be no problem

Yeah no problems repairing it . I have a tig at home .
Any suggestions how to fix tge warp ? It's only out 2-3mm . I was thinking a thicker gasket and once it's tight it should pull flat and seal .

[iceman]

the log manifolds where prone to warping the best tip is to only use exhaust studs/flange nuts and recheck the bolts at every service

if the warp is bad i suggest pressing the manifold first , then have it surfaced - on the cheap so people have cut the headplate and pulled up the manifold on the car but its not suggested

[67rce]

maybe so but when do you speak for everyone 67rice , we have provided product/services well beyond what some of our customers have paid for not always have we got it right but never have we refused helping a customer

our stage 6 manifolds are advertized on our site for 1499.00 but in most cases we sell them for much less follow the link here and it will show how cheap you can purchase them http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 1085835637

That's right. Can't refuse to help people if you don't answer calls. How about some of the things you have blamed turbo failures on when there ended up being no other issues with the car they came off?

[iceman]

like when? we do have other forms of contact mate and dealers too if you want the premium service

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like when? we do have other forms of contact mate and dealers too if you want the premium service

Hang on a minute you say "premium service" so how many levels of service do you offer?

How do you base this different levels of service is by a dollar cost system or value of purchased product.

I would have imagined that you would supply the one level to everyone of your customers, I am sure if I was a customer of your I would be wanting that.

As to contacting your dealers again I would imagine that if the product was purchased for yourself then any question, warranty clams or issues would be the responsibility of yourself.

I can't see a dealer standing and saying "hell yer mate no worried I will warrant your clam even though you never purchased the product from me"

Iceman I have never knocked your products and I have never purchased any as well but I have spoken to you a few time and found you to be very helpful and openly spoken that impressed me, but I do think that you need to explain this service levels you speak of in this thread to avoid any confusion to future customers.
cheers

[iceman]

it was just a term mate , my point is that we have other forms of contact

atm we are only able to take so many orders , once we have enough work to get done we dont take any further work untill all is completed - then i proceed to monitor the phone

we have had to restructure our business plan many times over the years , i have gone back to HANDS ON fabrication due to problems with fabricators - this has reduced my availability and also health reasons , again its why we also have dealers listed on our site like cve -email-here ect

when you called me i am sure we had a long discussion , and i do spend the time with people and is why i have to limit the phone calls or little/no work would get done

[ausedwagon]

I can't see a dealer standing and saying "hell yer mate no worried I will warrant your clam even though you never purchased the product from me"

i have dont this a few times actually. i run a small business and the most inportant part of relations is between me and my wholesalers. if i have a customer come in who has a problem with something that i stock or can get a warranty on i will. the warranty is on the importer/distributor/manufacturer it dosent matter what retailer issues the warranty. the only thing the retailer is obliged to do is offer the labor at a low rate or free. again that depends on the situation.

[iceman]

yes we are lucky to have some good people like paul whom has in the past contacted me on behalf of customers and i ALWAYS try to keep my dealers happy that means we back the product/them 100%

our dealers can also contact me via other means ( msn for example )

[NUT347]

I can't believe iceman didn't lose his shit!

[iceman]

please understand nut , when the fun is all over i have staff and family to support

i have offered even to meet up with some of you and show the hardware in person but it was turned down? , anybody here is welcome to come and visit and see the manifolds/materials first hand

we have been open with all our products and development over the years , pictures /dyno results prototypes ect have all been on display , anybody can view our photbucket account and will see all the manifolds in various stages of fabrication - supercharger developmenet-plenums ect

[Rollin]

What's the obsession with stainless though?? If it's cheaper or seriously lighter I could understand but if you're paying more for it to start with and then trying to offer products cheaper than the opposition I just don't understand what the big deal is :/

BTW, in case anyone was wondering, 13-14kg would be about what a mild steel manifold weighs - I just wacked my 6boost manifold with T04z attached onto the trusty bathroom scales and came up at 19kg. No, I couldn't be assed unbolting the turbo to see what the manifold alone weighs.

[EBOOST]

I reckon turbo of that size alone would have to be close to 10kg.
They're pretty heavy.

I don't see the big deal of all the cases of cracked manifolds you have spoken about you can count on both hands from what I've read and how many do you think snort sell/have sold?

Why trash a business name on a public forum over what seems like a grudge?
And then not even really listen to his side of the story.

[TONYTUNEZ]

um I'm sure both parties make good stuff!! like they say shit happens........unless ur flying in space or building a shuttle all working conditions are different.....i think I'm gonna put my turbo build aside for abit.......save some more coin then do it properly cheers end of story

[67rce]

What's the obsession with stainless though?? If it's cheaper or seriously lighter I could understand but if you're paying more for it to start with and then trying to offer products cheaper than the opposition I just don't understand what the big deal is :/

BTW, in case anyone was wondering, 13-14kg would be about what a mild steel manifold weighs - I just wacked my 6boost manifold with T04z attached onto the trusty bathroom scales and came up at 19kg. No, I couldn't be assed unbolting the turbo to see what the manifold alone weighs.

My 6Boost Manifold with a 50mm Progate attached weighs 12kg exactly.

[NUT347]

I reckon turbo of that size alone would have to be close to 10kg.
They're pretty heavy.

I don't see the big deal of all the cases of cracked manifolds you have spoken about you can count on both hands from what I've read and how many do you think snort sell/have sold?

Why trash a business name on a public forum over what seems like a grudge?
And then not even really listen to his side of the story.

Snort is the one that keeps replying, if he didn't want it publicised, he woudlnt bite back.

Also, how many fucken 6boost manifolds have been sold? Bet you 10x more then snort and have you ever heard of one of them crack?

Not looking, but 4/10 people that have replied in this thread have had or know somebody with a cracked snort manifold.

[Rollin]

I reckon turbo of that size alone would have to be close to 10kg.
They're pretty heavy.

I don't see the big deal of all the cases of cracked manifolds you have spoken about you can count on both hands from what I've read and how many do you think snort sell/have sold?

Why trash a business name on a public forum over what seems like a grudge?
And then not even really listen to his side of the story.

Hmm... google "cracked 6boost manifold" and see how many hits you get...how many people have you ever heard have one cracking? Why **** about with stainless when mild is much better?

[OMY-747]

In all honesty, the only thing that leads me to the 6boost is the lifetime warranty. I wouldn't drive a turbo car enough in a year for anything to happen to anything so I know that if something was to happen it would be outside of snorts warranty. Snort is local to me so dealing with Geoff would be a lot more simple as I could just swing by and deal with him in person. For the time being though I'm using a cheap crap log manifold that I'm pretty sure is through eBay and it's 2nd hand and needs maching cause it's warped :/ but it'll do me for the time being

[EBOOST]

But you all know each other so not hard to know someone that has had a cracked manifold?

So you want Geoff to just let people take a stab without any defence on snorts behalf?

I know of 1 6boost manifold that a weld cracked but his brother was a welder so he just welded it up again.
It was on an r31 with rb30 and .gt3582r and he got the manifold second hand if you need all that info.

[NUT347]

But you all know each other so not hard to know someone that has had a cracked manifold?

So you want Geoff to just let people take a stab without any defence on snorts behalf?

I know of 1 6boost manifold that a weld cracked but his brother was a welder so he just welded it up again.
It was on an r31 with rb30 and .gt3582r and he got the manifold second hand if you need all that info.

We all know eachother through 1 forum. Not even searched, just word of mouth. That's worse.

[iceman]

thankyou eboost , at least some people are able to read through the bullshit

[needfordspeed]

I could probably name about 10-12 people I know or have seen on these forums with a cracked Snort one, and probably more that have warped (old style).

We had a go at him previously and it seems like he's gotten his shit together and isn't selling dodgy stuff anymore. These things happen, and hopefully none of the new range that he's selling has the issues the old stuff had.

Josh, if you had been one of those people who paid good money for something that didn't last and then warranty wasn't honored then you'd be pissed as well. Seems to me that Rollin is only trying to help, what's so bad about that? We don't want forum members ripped off.

Old Snort = Junk
New Snort = Should be quality stuff.


Lets just leave it there.

[EBOOST]

Yeah true mate, I've never had a problem with Geoff and or there products (besides my mates which also got fixed by said welder above).

[67rce]

But you all know each other so not hard to know someone that has had a cracked manifold?

So you want Geoff to just let people take a stab without any defence on snorts behalf?

I know of 1 6boost manifold that a weld cracked but his brother was a welder so he just welded it up again.
It was on an r31 with rb30 and .gt3582r and he got the manifold second hand if you need all that info.

But the difference is, Kyle will fix it, no questions asked.

[iceman]

needforattension , where now have we not honored warranty ?? selling dodgy parts and ripping people off is taking it a little far dont you think??

bold claims when there are soooo many more documented cases of the manifolds not failing , years of service our products have supplied in 99% of cases

i am stunned at some of the cheap shots been taken here , i have tried to give explanation to the design/fabrication of our past and present products however you guys only seem to manage to find maybe 3-4 examples of failure in 100s sold

as above i offered to met and show our product first hand to help reslove any concerns of product quality ect but no , instead the would prefer the same style of tag team assault designed purely to discredit myself/snortperformanc