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The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 6:25 pm
by sphell
If anyone was thinking of rebuilding an auto for their Falcon, have a look at this picture then maybe you'll have second thoughts


Worst. Idea. Ever. I had this auto from an EL lying around (it was busted) and I thought I'd pull it apart to see what's involved in putting a rebuild kit through it. Anyway, I was amazed at the number of parts they can cram into a relatively small space. It probably is do-able but you would really have to pay attention to how things come apart so you can put them back in the correct order. It's way more complicated than cracking open an engine.
The whole reason I did this was because the auto in my EF is playing up a bit and it doesn't seem to have a 3rd gear or any gear braking in 2nd, plus it thumps into gears a bit. But now I think I'll just chuck in a good second handy. There really isn't a point to this post but just thought some people might be interested lol.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 7:39 pm
by Damo
WOW, that's soo gay.

So did you find out what was busted in it ?
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 8:02 pm
by five point slow
I spent a week at trade school pulling autos apart and putting them back together, plus textbook stuff.
I have no fucking clue how they work.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 17th, 2007, 8:08 pm
by EFFalcon
ur missing a bit!

Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 8:19 pm
by XR_Lightning
its actually not that hard, it honestly looks more complex than it is, done it a few times at work and at trade school, plus at trade school having to explain how it all works, after a while it all comes together
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 17th, 2007, 8:29 pm
by nommic
EFFalcon wrote:ur missing a bit!

ROFL that's the worst feeling in the world.
Putting something back together after fiddling with it, only to find one or two screws left over.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 17th, 2007, 9:14 pm
by Sunboost
Wow man thanks heaps I'm going to add this to my "Favorites" under "valuable links do not delete ever".
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 9:30 pm
by Damo
AIT-747 wrote:The Doug I used to know would have got it back together no worries.

And then blown it up the next day and get a defect for taking his GF to the Beach.
Sif grow up.

Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 17th, 2007, 9:34 pm
by Ef_frmnt
trust me no matter how easy you think it is.. its 5 times harder. unless you do BTRs on a regular basis its always a slow and painful process. there is a one way bearing in there that looks like you could put it in either way.. but if you put it in wrong the box will select two gears at once when driven and lock the whole box up. you need all the planetary gears all in right gotta keep c1 an c2 an all the relevant springs together.. the clutch packs. the valvebody with all the little fuckin nooks and crannies.. vaseline is your friend when it comes to rebuilding autos.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 10:32 pm
by sphell
AIT-747 wrote:The Doug I used to know would have got it back together no worries.

I still could but now i can't be bothered lol. And I can't justify spending 400 bux on a rebuild kit.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 17th, 2007, 11:10 pm
by CMYWPN
Ef_frmnt wrote:the valvebody with all the little fuckin nooks and crannies.. vaseline is your friend when it comes to rebuilding autos.
is it your friend cos your fucked when you realise you dont know how to put it back together? lol
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 17th, 2007, 11:38 pm
by Damo
CMYWPN wrote:Ef_frmnt wrote:the valvebody with all the little fuckin nooks and crannies.. vaseline is your friend when it comes to rebuilding autos.
is it your friend cos your fucked when you realise you dont know how to put it back together? lol
nah that's KY-Jelly
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 17th, 2007, 11:55 pm
by CMYWPN
whats kyb
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 18th, 2007, 12:16 pm
by [D1SCNT]
CMYWPN wrote:whats kyb
Kramp your bum jelly
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 21st, 2007, 1:03 am
by sphell
I'd just like to thank Sunny, Gilly and Damo for giving us a hand today installing a new auto in my EF. We got a fair bit done today, Sunny and I started removing the engine and gearbox out of his wrecked ED about 11:30am this morning and had everything out in about 3 hrs. Grinding off the radiator support certainly helps it all come out easier! Apparently the gearbox out of the ED needed a new S5 solenoid so I swapped it with a good one from an EA. I also put a new oil filter in.
Damo and Gill came over later and we pulled out my gearbox. I also had one of those JMM 3000 stall converters that's been sitting round for ages so we chucked that in as well. It was a bit risky putting in the box out of the ED because no one knew what condition it was in.....the previous owner had only said it needed an S5...but people always talk shit when they sell cars so who knew. Anyway once it was in and topped up with 10 litres of brand spankin trans fluid the thing was perfect! I'm so happy all that work wasn't for nothing. Sunny also managed to fix the exhaust leak I had thanks to some handy air tools.
The stallie is a bit weird, it is a lot easier to spin the wheels off the line just by flooring it but when your driving normally it kind of feels like its slipping all the time......the best way of describing it is like driving a manual with the clutch pressed in a little bit while your accelerating. I think in a stock car it's kind of pointless but ah well, it might motivate me to actually get back into modding cars again and actually do something performance wise to it.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 22nd, 2007, 8:33 pm
by Sunboost
This insides of the the 4 speed auto are now in the inside of a bin, just like I thought.
Doug + Pioneering =

Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 22nd, 2007, 8:41 pm
by Damo
I was wondering what you used the angle grinder for in the photo, but then I remembered who sphell was.
J/K The new 4 speed is pretty good, hi-stall is definitely a bit weird I guess people get used to them. Maybe commando can further comment, though I think he removed his. T5 FTMFW!
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 22nd, 2007, 8:51 pm
by sphell
Damo wrote:I was wondering what you used the angle grinder for in the photo, but then I remembered who sphell was.
Angle grinders are sick!
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

Posted:
October 22nd, 2007, 8:58 pm
by TUFED6
Yea I took a BW35 apart once, then quickly dismissed the idea of ever building my own auto. Fcuk that for a horrible joke.
Sad part is I knew this total nuff-nuff from school who used to spend his lunchtimes catching seagulls with fishing lines, and that dumbkent now works at an auto trans joint. WTF! Kent is barely sentient.
On another note, Powerglides look pretty easy. 2 gears FTW!

Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 22nd, 2007, 9:24 pm
by Ef_frmnt
nah you need vaseline to hold everything in place inside the planetary and drums and shit. while your putting it back together.. if all the little clips and balls and springs fall out your in trouble. petroleum jelly just melts once some hot auto fluid gets to it so it does no harm. ive seen a fair few rebuilds and work with a guy who is a guru when it come to autos.
Re: The insides of a 4 speed auto

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October 22nd, 2007, 9:31 pm
by XRated
TUFED6 wrote:Sad part is I knew this total nuff-nuff from school who used to spend his lunchtimes catching seagulls with fishing lines, and that dumbkent now works at an auto trans joint. WTF! Kent is barely sentient.
LMFAO!!!!!