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whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 7:13 pm
by thebeast.
got a I6 el falcon with a cam, cold air intake and a full exhaust and it wont even do a skid...
got 235 on rear, but that should't make to much of a difference.
the falcon was dual fuel but isnt run on gas anymore...
any thoughts?

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 7:25 pm
by TAXI
The gas ring is probly still in the intake, very good rear brake's and if it's lsd and a cam will take out some low down torque as will the exhaust.
and then a stock tune.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 7:29 pm
by Dansedgli
13 year old car might be a little worn out.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 9:31 pm
by thebeast.
thanks. the gas ring is out.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 10:08 pm
by bentls
thebeast. wrote:got a I6 el falcon with a cam, cold air intake and a full exhaust and it wont even do a skid...
got 235 on rear, but that should't make to much of a difference.
the falcon was dual fuel but isnt run on gas anymore...
any thoughts?

sounds like a shitbox...

after any particular thoughts or just whatever pops into our heads first?

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 10:56 pm
by 67rce
If you want to do a skid, have you tried bouncing the brake?

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 1st, 2010, 11:15 pm
by CaRtZ
i did exhaus head n cam on mine a while ago, found it to perform like a stocker 'til 2500, once it got there it would easy click 2nd on the spot. maybe try 4.11:1 ;)

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 1:24 am
by vegabass
Pour oil on your rear tyres. Then flick your ciggy butt out the window. :thumbsup:

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 7:29 am
by wicksy
dont feel so bad my vt doesnt do one either but my shitter EL does one and its standard with a 225 rear tyre

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 7:33 am
by [Sterling]
Skids are ilegal on roads. Your a hoon.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 7:49 am
by thebeast.
its not a magor thing not being able to do one, its not like I do them every second day or anything just thought id try one.
did one prob a yeah ago with stock wheels and without cam and exhaust and it did it fine, but nothing now.
you know, foot on brake, full acc abd it just stalls up to about 1900 and nothing.
tried bouning the brakes but nothing, only real way is full loock either direction slam acc down then stomp on brake.
by the way i dont normaly thrash the el, i was just curious. is this a normal falcon thing.
hope you like my life story lol

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 7:53 am
by TUFED6
It's probably just knackered. Does it have blowby or use any oil?

If you want to know for sure do a compression test.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 8:25 am
by thebeast.
blowby?? doesnt use any oil or blow smoke

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 8:35 am
by Steady
it's pretty much normal, doing cam and stuff makes auto 4Ls shit at skids, unless you do stall and/or diff gears.
stock is best.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 2:38 pm
by Hayden
maybe it's still tuned for gas?

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 3:02 pm
by campbell18
most 4L are no good for skids due to the tall gearing
best best is to throw a set of 3.9's in the diff
my ED's been cammed, chipped and full exhaust and still wont spin the wheels off the line

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 3:19 pm
by krisisdog
About the only cams that will help an auto do a standstill are lpg or towing cams as you're pretty much on peak torque with them a few hundred rpm above the stock stally. Try it with stock 205s and see what happens.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2010, 3:20 pm
by Bipolar
Sounds like could be throttle cable. Get a new one if it's more than a few years old.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 8:20 am
by thebeast.
thanks, may aswell trythe acc cable, cant hurt

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 8:28 am
by Sunboost
Get some diff gears and a stally :D

..... and a V8.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 9:37 am
by mad_keen
wicksy wrote:dont feel so bad my vt doesnt do one either but my shitter EL does one and its standard with a 225 rear tyre


My ef wont do one with 245's :( Im hoping its just the auto slipping...

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 9:56 am
by apoc
T5. WOT, dump clutch.
Fixed!

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 3rd, 2010, 2:13 pm
by thebeast.
its a daily and often going 100 so can't be to short and Revving its Tits off. altho I'm pretty keen if its not to expensive. anyone know around about cost and what's needed

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 4th, 2010, 9:11 am
by bentls
Check ur acc cable first get a mate to WOT it and see if u can move the throttle more by hand at the throttle body end. If so get a new cable. Also do you have floor mat jammed up under the pedal like about 50% of my customers seem to have

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 4th, 2010, 10:44 am
by thebeast.
never thought of the mat thing. ill have a look.
its still got a fair bit of power up in the range but not to much down low

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 4th, 2010, 1:21 pm
by Rollin
If it's an EL have you had it on the dyno since putting the cam in? You can do a hobo 'tune' while it's on there by twisting the dizzy till it makes the most power, and you should also pick up a little economy too.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 4th, 2010, 2:38 pm
by thebeast.
nah havent put it back on the dyno, put it on awhile ago with just cat back and pod, only made 101.9rwkw and 282nm of torque.
just want to get a power run and a j3 chip

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 4th, 2010, 4:32 pm
by EBIIsasquatch
is there a bolt on the dizzy to loosen so you can turn it?

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 4th, 2010, 5:52 pm
by Rollin
Yep, down between the 2nd and 3rd runners on an EB IIRC, and near the first one on an EL.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 5th, 2010, 12:54 pm
by 4dlvr
if you were in Melbourne i was going to say come to my house and ill teach you..

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 5th, 2010, 3:48 pm
by NUT347
Select 'N' put foot flat with other foot on brake.

Select 'D'.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 5th, 2010, 4:00 pm
by bushman
If i give my ed some curry, it blows blue oil smoke out everywhere, its got a gayer than aids BTR, only mods are 3.45:1 LSD and an exhaust and the motor in it is nearly rooted, it still skids.

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 5th, 2010, 4:04 pm
by bentls
NUT347 wrote:Select 'N' put foot flat with other foot on brake.

Select 'D'.

Haven't seen it in ages but it goes something like rev it up in n like vroom vroom then select d for maximum respect. (the vn video or honda video whichever one it is)

Re: whats going on, no bottom end power?

PostPosted: September 5th, 2010, 5:14 pm
by thebeast.
lol yeah, always a good idea... could do with a manual converstion...