Getting off wheel lock nuts with no key! :(

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 8:38 am

Hey guys, recently purchased an EA SVO to wreck ( was smashed in the front ), now i got to the joyous part of taking the wheels off only to find that there are lock nuts on the wheels but apparently no key, im sure some of you have been through this before and might be able to help out? any info would be appreciated

I purchased a 19mm tube impact socket ( has to be tube socket as the svo wheel nut holes are rather long! ( which means no pliers, clamps, multi grips etc will help at all ) and belted it on the lock nut, was a tad loose and slipped so i purcased a 18mm tube impact socket and it was a tighter fit however ended up slipping as whoever did the lock nuts up last must have used a rattle gun and had it set on a gajillion nm of torque!

I really dont want to have to send this shell to the wreckers with a almost mint set of svo wheels on it, so if anyone can help i would really appreciate it
Cheers

by **EFFalcon** » October 27th, 2011, 8:48 am

i've only ever used sockets, used a sledge hammer to get it on there.

otherwise, you might be able to drill them out, but it'll be a shit job.

by **holmsy** » October 27th, 2011, 8:56 am

i did a set on mine last week
just keep fuckin round with sockets.
think most of mine came off with normal sockets instead of impact sockets.
just **** around with metric and imperial sizes to find one that gets tight enough.

they will eventually come off.

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:02 am

Thanks for the input guys, i dont have many tube sockets so im gunna grab a few more, but never hurts to buy more tools ey, i think i'll try a 17mm next and see what happens as the 18 was tight until the first couple turns then got a bit loose so i would think 17 is the next logical step, after having a look it seems only the 2 front rims have the lock nuts which i guess is a bonus lol, the last owners must have had the same problem and could only get the rears off
Cheers

by **holmsy** » October 27th, 2011, 9:03 am

17 might be bit to small

grab a set would be better.
even if its a $20 set from supercheap

by **EFFalcon** » October 27th, 2011, 9:06 am

I used double hex sidchrome sockets, possibly able to get more bite without having to go too small?

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:08 am

holmsy wrote:17 might be bit to small

grab a set would be better.
even if its a $20 set from supercheap

Yeah went to local supercheap, waiting on them to get the cheap sets in, they had bugger all, 18mm fits on and you can turn it to a point then it just slips, perhaps an 11/16 instead then
Cheers

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:09 am

EFFalcon wrote:I used double hex sidchrome sockets, possibly able to get more bite without having to go too small?

Thats a good idea man, i might have to look into getting some of those too! I dont mind how many tools i have to buy lol as i said before you can never have too many tools, they always pay for themselves
Cheers

by **89.SVO** » October 27th, 2011, 9:13 am

you can buy lock nut remove tool. used it at work many times

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:21 am

WILDEB wrote:you can buy lock nut remove tool. used it at work many times

Yeah i have seen a couple of the kits, but i think the issue im going to have with them is i need to get them down a narrow 2-3inch hole before i even get to the lock nut, hence why i need tube sockets, a few of the lock nut removal socket sets i have seen dont appear to be long enough, will keep looking tho
Cheers

by **holmsy** » October 27th, 2011, 9:23 am

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lug-Nut-Remo ... 518b059161

just use an extension

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:27 am

holmsy wrote:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lug-Nut-Remover-Wheel-Lock-Removal-Kit-3pc-CTA-A157-/350224748897?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item518b059161

just use an extension

Thanks man, found these too http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/260633231277 ... 1438.l2649
Will have a crack this weekend and see how i go anyways
Cheers

by **89.SVO** » October 27th, 2011, 12:15 pm

don't the wheels have the right wheel nuts

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 1:28 pm

WILDEB wrote:don't the wheels have the right wheel nuts

The wheel nuts are the right ones, really long, the lock nuts are normal size nubby buggers so on a svo wheel they are right in there deep into the hole
Cheers

by **josh_ef** » October 27th, 2011, 5:05 pm

bring it over to my house and ill get em off right now mate

im in cranbourne

by **josh_ef** » October 27th, 2011, 5:05 pm

0419 931 509

or over the weekend ill be around if ya still cant get em

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 5:38 pm

josh_ef wrote:bring it over to my house and ill get em off right now mate

im in cranbourne

Thanks for the offer mate, but they are on a rolling shell in my shed lol so needless to say it doesnt drive
Cheers

by **89.SVO** » October 27th, 2011, 6:03 pm

ah yeh. my SVO has the tiny lock nuts too. prick of a thing

by **josh_ef** » October 27th, 2011, 6:23 pm

if i get some time i might be able to come up over the weekend ill see how i go

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 6:38 pm

josh_ef wrote:if i get some time i might be able to come up over the weekend ill see how i go

That would be greatly appreciated mate if you have time, i'll even shout a beer and give you some petrol cash if need be

Cheers

by **donno** » October 27th, 2011, 7:45 pm

I ran into this issue about a month back when the tyre shop lost my key

. Getting them off was scarily easy.

1: Take a photo of the locknut head/key pattern.
2: Go to supercheap and find the closest locknut set which match the photo (you won't find an identical match, but should get close).
3: Take said key out of new locknut set, and using a drift or 1/2" drive extension, hammer the shit out of the key into the locknut.
4: Undo nut.

I had all four on my car off within 5 minutes.

by **josh_ef** » October 27th, 2011, 8:51 pm

This is a great way. I always find a socket easiest

Not cheap shit sockets they break, 15/16s normally does well

What time are you home Friday? I can pop down after work with my socket setS

by **XR_Lightning** » October 27th, 2011, 9:08 pm

it also depends what type of locknut they are, there not all the same, some cant be taken off with a socket and you have to resort to a hammer & chisel or and air-chisel

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:26 pm

josh_ef wrote:This is a great way. I always find a socket easiest

Not cheap shit sockets they break, 15/16s normally does well

What time are you home Friday? I can pop down after work with my socket setS

Im home all day champ so whenever
Cheers

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 9:27 pm

XR_Lightning wrote:it also depends what type of locknut they are, there not all the same, some cant be taken off with a socket and you have to resort to a hammer & chisel or and air-chisel

Hey Damo, Svo wheels man so deep hole before you get to the nut, so there is now way of getting a chisel near the lock nut
Cheers

by **XR_Lightning** » October 27th, 2011, 9:39 pm

Felony wrote:
XR_Lightning wrote:it also depends what type of locknut they are, there not all the same, some cant be taken off with a socket and you have to resort to a hammer & chisel or and air-chisel

Hey Damo, Svo wheels man so deep hole before you get to the nut, so there is now way of getting a chisel near the lock nut
Cheers

haha, yeah i thought so :grin:

, was more of a general statement for all locknuts though

by **Felony** » October 27th, 2011, 10:15 pm

XR_Lightning wrote:
Felony wrote:
XR_Lightning wrote:it also depends what type of locknut they are, there not all the same, some cant be taken off with a socket and you have to resort to a hammer & chisel or and air-chisel

Hey Damo, Svo wheels man so deep hole before you get to the nut, so there is now way of getting a chisel near the lock nut
Cheers

haha, yeah i thought so , was more of a general statement for all locknuts though

Yup yup

by **SnipeZ** » October 27th, 2011, 10:50 pm

Doesnt matter what lock nut they are ive always gotten them off with sockets from 15mm to 23mm
Just gotta hit them on hard and use a hi-torque rattle gun.
Always does it for me

by **SnipeZ** » October 27th, 2011, 10:53 pm

Im in cranny too. Got the workshop full of tools and my work van too

by **XR_Lightning** » October 27th, 2011, 11:39 pm

SnipeZ wrote:Doesnt matter what lock nut they are ive always gotten them off with sockets from 15mm to 23mm
Just gotta hit them on hard and use a hi-torque rattle gun.
Always does it for me

lol, try getting off a European car's locknuts

by **OZBMX** » October 28th, 2011, 7:27 pm

I've got to say have you seen Citroen lock nuts??? :banghead:

by **Felony** » October 30th, 2011, 2:14 pm

Just an update lads, josh_ef came over today ( thanks mate, much appreciated ) and had a crack at it and we couldnt even get them to budge, the last time they were done up must have been with a rattle gun at a tyre shop! ( 1000000000000nm ) lol, next step i guess is trying to pull half the front apart and trying to grind the rear of the wheel stud from the back of the disc or something

Cheers

by **josh_ef** » October 30th, 2011, 2:20 pm

yeah sorry i couldnt get em off mate

super tight definetly done up over tight with rattle gun

by **SnipeZ** » October 30th, 2011, 2:22 pm

Post a photo of the lock nut mate.
I wanna see these things.

Yeah I know the ones.
They are generally studs and have like a multi multi star that looks stupid in there.
I use my hex head set and smash them in there

by **SnipeZ** » October 30th, 2011, 2:22 pm

josh_ef wrote:yeah sorry i couldnt get em off mate

super tight definetly done up over tight with rattle gun

Josh did you have. Rattle gun?
Breaker bar with jack stand?

by **Felony** » October 30th, 2011, 3:09 pm

SnipeZ wrote:Post a photo of the lock nut mate.
I wanna see these things.

Yeah I know the ones.
They are generally studs and have like a multi multi star that looks stupid in there.
I use my hex head set and smash them in there

Couldnt really get a proper pic of it, if i moved the lense into the hole i had no flash lol, this pic gives you an idea how deep in the wheel it is, doubt thats any help tho, these lock nuts have the weird shaped doodles on the side which sorta looks like a mangled hex shape lol

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by **LUXO_8** » October 30th, 2011, 3:16 pm

smash a socket on it and use a long (like, long) breaker bar to snap the stud off

by **Felony** » October 30th, 2011, 3:26 pm

LUXO_8 wrote:smash a socket on it and use a long (like, long) breaker bar to snap the stud off

Hey mate, have tried multiple sockets, and smashed them on pretty hard, as a fair bit of force is required i only end up shearing more off the lock nut itself, will keep at it tho, i want my svo wheels off!!!! lol
Cheers

by **SnipeZ** » October 30th, 2011, 3:38 pm

Pm semt

by **EFFalcon** » October 30th, 2011, 3:42 pm

just take the whole spindle off.
take to somewhere to do it for you

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