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The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 1:54 pm
by EFFalcon
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/firs ... 1oe40.html

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Ford’s new EcoBoost Falcon may have two fewer cylinders than its six-cylinder brethren, but it’s lacking nothing in performance.

For a while there, it looked like Queensland would never win a Sheffield Shield. But a few years ago, that changed.

The smart money also suggested that our Stateside friends would never elect an Afro-American to the office of president. Wrong again.

And for my part, I would have bet real money that I’d never be sitting in the driver’s seat of a four-cylinder Ford Falcon. And yet, here I am.

Advertisement: Story continues below Never say never, it seems.

Australian Falcons and big capacity six-cylinder engines go together like beer and eskies. Always have.

But in an attempt to offer its customers a Falcon with improved fuel economy and regain some lost sales, Ford Australia has –in a nutshell - taken the turbocharged four-cylinder engine from the Mondeo EcoBoost and slotted it into the FG Falcon’s cavernous engine bay.

See more details of the new Ford Falcon four-cylinder EcoBoost.

No technical details have been forthcoming, but in Mondeo EcoBoost form, the 2.0-litre engine pushes out 149kW of power and 300Nm of torque, good numbers in themselves, but down on the 195kW and 391Nm respectively of the traditional, six-cylinder-powered version of the Falcon.

In the Volvo S60, the same turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder produces 177kW and 320Nm, which is close to where we’re expecting the Falcon. It makes sense from a marketing perspective – there’s more than the Mondeo EcoBoost but less than the bread-and-butter of the Falcon world, the inline six-cylinder that’s twice its size.

That said, the seat of the pants suggests a power figure closer to 170kW for the four-cylinder engine in the Falcon Ecoboost.

And let’s not forget that the AU Falcon of 1998 boasted a power figure of just 157kW, and nobody ever complained that that car was underpowered.

But more importantly than just numbers, how does the four-cylinder Falcon EcoBoost feel to drive?

Just sitting in the car with the engine running is an exercise in altered perceptions. Revving the engine reveals a fairly refined powerplant, but one that is identifiably missing a couple of cylinders. It’s not quite as dramatic as watching a grown man with a toddler’s voice, but it’s still a bit mind-altering.

With the six-speed automatic transmission offering a little slip to mask a tiny bit of turbo-lag off idle, the four-cylinder Falcon steps off the mark quite well.

It revs up with enthusiasm, too, although the last 1000rpm or so feel a bit hard to come by. Again, this is not uncommon with turbocharged powerplants, which often produce their best at low or middle engine revs – where most people use them most of the time.

But what is impressive is the engine’s mid-range punch which gives the sort of relaxed progress that has been a major characteristic of all Falcons over the years.

Against the stop-watch (but not as scientific as tailored testing equipment) the Ecoboost Falcon doesn’t appear to give much away to its six-cylinder stalemate.

A 0 to 100km/h dash in the six-cylinder FG Falcon of 7.1 seconds was almost matched by the 7.6 of the EcoBoost car.

The best news is that the Ecoboost Falcon has shed about 60kg and this shows up as a much more talkative, entertaining front end.

The Ecoboost not only steers more accurately and naturally, it wants you to know it as well.

The bottom line is that the biggest hurdle for the Ecoboost Falcon will be a cultural one, not an actual product limitation.

Ford is still being very tight-lipped on pricing and while it’s tempting to think the Ecoboost Falcon will be the entry-level car, previous suggestions have been that it would actually carry a price premium. In other markets, the EcoBoost variants of certain Ford models are actually marketed as premium products and priced accordingly.

However, Ford is understood to be stepping away from this, accepting the fact that Australians generally don’t like paying more for fewer cylinders.

Best guesstimates – and a nod and a wink from Ford insiders - have the Falcon EcoBoost being priced at the same price as the six-cylinder versions it will sell alongside; the Falcon four-cylinder EcoBoost wll be available as an entry-level XT, G6 and flagship, leather-clad G6E.

The Ecoboost Falcon’s launch date has been delayed since the model was announced, but look for it early in 2012.


Keen to see what comes out for the aftermarket...
even though theres no 'performance' version, it'll only be a matter of time until tunes and the usual bolt ons start pushing the I4T.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 1:59 pm
by Dansedgli
I complained about the performance of my stock AU 6 cylinder.

Will taxis choose a 4 cylinder turbo over an NA 6? I doubt it.

Turbo engines are always expensive 2nd hand.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 2:01 pm
by [Sterling]
The front end looks like an aurion :(

Should be good to recoup sales! But I'll stick with my I6T lol

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 2:03 pm
by EFFalcon
Yeah, i don't imagine anything that does bulk KM like a taxi would go that route, but other more sensible fleet cars might.
and the odd private buyer.

I'd probably prefer the ecoLPi if i was buying new.

but for modding potential in a year or 2's time, the I4T would surely be better bang for buck then the N/A 6?

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 2:07 pm
by private9
Hopefully this helps drive incremental sales!

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 2:49 pm
by EFFalcon

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 2:53 pm
by Kenaz
AUs didn't weigh 1700kgs either..

The Falcon has pretty decent engines across the whole range these days.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 3:58 pm
by Nikk O'lass
Falcon on the cover of hot4's mag?

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 4:34 pm
by SnipeZ
Didnt see it say FWD or RWD

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 4:42 pm
by EFFalcon
its RWD.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 5:08 pm
by Sunboost
They should put the Diesel motor in it too!

Sounds good though, and the dark one looks good. White one looks a bit gumby but it's got a fair bit of squat going.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 6:33 pm
by TUFED6
Any under bonnet shots? Will be interesting to see how much space there is in there.

You would think handling would be good with less weight over the nose.

I've been thinking about putting a Zetec engine in the Mustang :grin:

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 6:51 pm
by [Sterling]
Im hoping tuning/ aftermarket supply's take off, would be weird seing a 4cyl falcon dominating on the highway lol after seing the other pics it doesn't look too bad, the first pic was abit errr.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 8:51 pm
by EFFalcon
There are underbonnet shots floating around.
seen them earlier today, the engine is surprisingly large.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 8:55 pm
by EFFalcon
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Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 9:00 pm
by TUFED6
Hard to tell with all the covers and everything, but it is chunkier than I expected. Still looks to be a fair bit of empty space forward of the towers.

Wonder if they will offer it in the ute range.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 9:09 pm
by brad_m
TUFED6 wrote:Any under bonnet shots? Will be interesting to see how much space there is in there.

You would think handling would be good with less weight over the nose.

I've been thinking about putting a Zetec engine in the Mustang :grin:



The 2.3 pinto in the fox body mustangs have huge following and pump some fast times.


I don't see this falcon as a bad thing.stepping back to a four cyl will drop you yearly rego costs in QLD by $200. It's faster then the old Egas falcon and should cost about the same to run.
Ford did this with an ecoboost V6.
When it comes to the Baja 1000, simply crossing the finish line is reason enough to bust out the champagne. Ford has announced that its 2011 F-150 Ecoboost race truck has managed to cover the entire 1,061 mile course in 38 hours and 20 minutes. According to FoMoCo, the truck put up with some of the most grueling terrain on the planet – racing through temperatures below freezing and above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. More impressively, as you may recall, this particular 3.5-liter V6 engine entered the cross-country rally with the equivalent of 10 years of abuse on the clock. The very same lump went through extensive endurance testing at the Cleveland Engine Plant before being bolted into an F-150 that was used as a log skidder in Oregon.

Finally, the same engine drove around a NASCAR track at full speed while towing 11,300 pounds. Ford then unbolted the engine and plopped it into the race machine you see above – bone stock and without so much as a rebuild. With 365 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque, the EcoBoost was more than powerful enough to pull the Baja F-150 across the line. Click past the jump for the full press release.




The ACV40R camry is 1500kg and i've personally seen 2 of them run as taxis with 900 000km on the 4cyl engine. The same owner has 3 others one with 450 000km.
With what ford have put into the ecoboost engines I don't see an issue with the engine if used as taxis.

The bulk of the sales will be fleet and taxi. but who cares, It will mean sales of the falcon range are up and more reason to keep building it. With all its engine options.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 9:12 pm
by Dansedgli
FFS when will they put the airbox on the turbo side.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 9:13 pm
by EFFalcon
brad_m wrote:The 2.3 pinto in the fox body mustangs have huge following and pump some fast times.


Not just mustangs too, the 83-88 Thunderbirds scored the same motor in the 'Turbo Coupe' and its basically the hero car of the range.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 9:14 pm
by brad_m
Kenaz wrote:AUs didn't weigh 1700kgs either..

The Falcon has pretty decent engines across the whole range these days.


The base model ecoboost falcon should come in under 1650kg....Just.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 9:29 pm
by Troutman
Might be a bit of a niche product since it won't reduce the base price for buyers on a budget. Real-world fuel economy differences remain to be seen too. But sounds so far like a great package with near 50/50 weight distribution and strong performance.

Troutman approved, on condition there is no talk of replacing the classic six, which has immense history and cultural significance. :cry: That would end up a case of 'You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.'

The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 10:00 pm
by TUFED6
I dunno. Every model needs a hero car. As long as the xr/fpv's remain I dont think it matters if the base model is a 4 banger. Esp if they can be flash tuned to 250-300kw :)

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 5th, 2011, 10:20 pm
by Parfrey
Surely someone has tuned a modeo with the similar engine?

Should be a good car, but i'm not sure if the type of people that will buy these cars (like base falcons etc) would want the engine over the 6cyl? Unless it's alot better on fuel?
Also, i wonder how many people who buy/drive these type of Falcons would actually be able to tell if the front end was lighter and handled better?

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 6th, 2011, 9:37 am
by Commando
Is this a test on consumers for i4t vs lilpg 6? Lilpg i4t would be awesome. Hopefully both options don't cannibalise each other, and take sales from competitors & the petrol 4.0 instead.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 15th, 2011, 1:46 pm
by TUFED6
Been reading more about this thingo. Considering buying an FG2 for the girl.

Interesting things so far-
- Direct injection uses fuel pressure in the range of 2000psi, didn't know that
- Static CR is 10:1
- Can't find any definitive info, but the other Ecoboost 4 bangers seem to run 14psi boost
- Runs on regular ULP
- Will be mated to a lighter duty version of the ZF 6 speed
- Is only marginally slower to 100 than the 195kw i6. This would suggest to me that its going to be more powerful than the 177kw thats being thrown around
- Doesn't seem to be any SCT/Dreamscience edit for the Mondeo :-(

Reading all the articles written about the Ecoboost Falcon is enough to give you an aneurism, particularly the comments. Every dumbcunt has a worthless opinion to throw in.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/149806/2012 ... st-review/
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/f ... 1oe68.html
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/firs ... 1oe40.html
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor. ... 5D000017F2

Most of the comments seem to boil down to-
- "Wtf, large sedans are dead"
- "Y u no diesel?"
- "Y u no wagon?"
- "My eurotrash Xyz is better built (in korea) than this taxi"

My main question at this point is how much scope for a boost increase does the Ecoboost have? Static CR/14psi sounds like its already fairly highly strung.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 15th, 2011, 2:01 pm
by AaronEF8
There was a good tech article somewhere about the V6 EcoBoost Ford were going to fit, I believe they're similar motors.
The pistons are heavily domed, but with a big dish in the middle of the dome. When in lean cruise mode, the combustion is kept inside the dished part of the piston, keeping the combustion away from the cylinder walls, meaning they can run as lean as 60:1.
A pic would explain it better lol.
I thought Ford were going to use a DSG gearbox with this engine?

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 15th, 2011, 2:17 pm
by Rollin
I believe the fuel is usually injected during the compression stroke on direct injection petrols, which means you can usually get away with high CR and boost at the same time, because they don't detonate as easily.

Be interesting to see if anyone bothers tuning them and what results they get if so.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:02 am
by TUFED6
AaronEF8 wrote:There was a good tech article somewhere about the V6 EcoBoost Ford were going to fit, I believe they're similar motors.
The pistons are heavily domed, but with a big dish in the middle of the dome. When in lean cruise mode, the combustion is kept inside the dished part of the piston, keeping the combustion away from the cylinder walls, meaning they can run as lean as 60:1.
A pic would explain it better lol.
I thought Ford were going to use a DSG gearbox with this engine?


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Interesting, all the Ecoboost motors seem to have that dish in the centre of the piston crown.

Would be sweet if a double clutch box was used but all the news reports indicate ZF.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:12 am
by EFFalcon
Probably has something to do with our RWD setup.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:35 am
by AaronEF8
I can't see ProComp making a piston to suit any time soon.

I reckon one of these with a DSG in an Escort or Clubman kit car would be epic fun.
Edit - It would be due to the RWD, it was going to be the first Ford with DSG & RWD. But most of the population doesn't even know what DSG is yet lol.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:42 am
by Troutman
TUFED6 wrote:- Is only marginally slower to 100 than the 195kw i6. This would suggest to me that its going to be more powerful than the 177kw thats being thrown around


Not if you consider its weight advantage. Which is also a good thing for roadholding.

And yes I would rather drink a glass of BP Ultimate and throw a match down my throat than read the shit that gets posted under the comments of Ford articles. Nowadays I would rather stick to communities based around Aussie cars, as the mainstream car enthusiast scene is going to hell in a handbasket.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 4:26 pm
by MMD
Figures Seem pretty even.
Sale Price and fuel economy will be a more deciding factor

Engine - EcoLPi
Engine type EcoLPi DOHC DI-VCT I6
Compression ratio 12:1
Maximum power (DIN) 198kW @ 5000rpm
Maximum torque (DIN) 409Nm @ 3250rpm

Engine - Petrol
Engine type 4.0L DOHC DI-VCT I6
Compression ratio 10.3:1
Max. power (DIN) 195kW @ 6000rpm
Max. torque (DIN) 391Nm @ 3250rpm

Falcon EcoBoost
Engine type 2.0L DOHC DI-VCT I4 ???
Compression ratio ~10:1
Max. power (DIN) ~170kW @ ?pm
Max. torque (DIN) ~320Nm @ ?rpm

I wonder how smooth the 2.0litre is in the lower rev range - low boost. where a lot of traffic driving will take place.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 5:55 pm
by Nikk O'lass
Ecoboost EA?

who will be first?

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 7:40 pm
by bry40l
Nikk O'lass wrote:Ecoboost EA?

who will be first?

:drinks2:

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 8:56 pm
by brad_m
MMD wrote:Figures Seem pretty even.
Sale Price and fuel economy will be a more deciding factor

Engine - EcoLPi
Engine type EcoLPi DOHC DI-VCT I6
Compression ratio 12:1
Maximum power (DIN) 198kW @ 5000rpm
Maximum torque (DIN) 409Nm @ 3250rpm

Engine - Petrol
Engine type 4.0L DOHC DI-VCT I6
Compression ratio 10.3:1
Max. power (DIN) 195kW @ 6000rpm
Max. torque (DIN) 391Nm @ 3250rpm

Falcon EcoBoost
Engine type 2.0L DOHC DI-VCT I4 ???
Compression ratio ~10:1
Max. power (DIN) ~170kW @ ?pm
Max. torque (DIN) ~320Nm @ ?rpm

I wonder how smooth the 2.0litre is in the lower rev range - low boost. where a lot of traffic driving will take place.


According to what i've read about the 2L ecoboost already being used in the USA, peak torque is available from 1750RPM to 5500RPM.
6 speed box would be geared to get the car moving in first. I really don't think there is going to be a problem with this engine. Just look at the dismal figures the old E-gas engine had, and it sold very well.

Ford put a 2L ecoboost in the Explorer it get 14L/100km city and 10L/100km highway, in comparison the Explorer with the V6 engine gets 16.5L/100km city and 11.5L/100km highway. If it can do that with a 2045kg SUV with the aerodynamics of a house brick, it'll do just fine in an FG which will come in at about 1650kg with the ECOboost engine fitted and is a pretty slippery shape. A similar % drop in consumption could be expected.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:15 pm
by 89.SVO
am i the only one who had the horrible thought of a FG2 I4T with a cannon on it. The sound would be totally wrong coming from it

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:16 pm
by EFFalcon
people put cannons on I6's, thats bad enough.
atleast this thing is turbo.

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 9:35 pm
by 89.SVO
shopping lists maybe?

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: December 17th, 2011, 10:10 am
by bry40l
i seen an e series the other day with a cannon, almost made me want to sell my el, lucky it didnt have a horrible sound, it made no sound at all,

Re: The next boosted falcon?

PostPosted: January 18th, 2012, 5:18 pm
by EBII SXR6 <3
Not a big fan of the whole ''corporate'' look that most car companys are going for.
Especially fords new Territory :glare:
Dont mind its rather large Chrome grill, as on my G6E :)