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news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 7th, 2013, 1:14 am
by misk
dunno if anyone else saw this, if there is already a thread, just delete this.

http://www.news.com.au/national/m-of-yo ... 6548133045

TAXPAYERS have pumped $42 million into two Ford ''eco'' cars that fail to meet the environmental criteria for some state government fleets.
In a major embarrassment to the Federal Government's ''Green Car Fund for a Greener Future'', the four-cylinder Falcon and the diesel Territory fall outside the purchasing requirements for many state government departments because their emissions are too high or too toxic.
It means the government isn't buying a car that it invested heavily in.
Ford employees bought more than twice as many four-cylinder Falcons than has the government (300 versus 115 cars) - and private buyers have also outspent public office (121 sales), according to confidential figures to the end of November.
Rather than investing to upgrade the cars, Ford is leading the charge to scrap the Green Vehicle Guide star-rating system - the benchmark used by business and government fleets when assessing which cars to buy.
Ford is getting a fraction of the government business compared with its Australian car making rivals Holden and Toyota.
The most recent figures show Ford sold 3300 locally-made cars to state governments across Australia compared with Toyota’s tally of 4100 deliveries and Holden’s order book of 9200 cars.
That's presumably because most of Ford's locally-made models fall below the cut-off as they have higher air pollution ratings.
Ford sold 14,000 Falcons last year; Mitsubishi sold 11,000 sedans in its last full year on sale before its Adelaide factory closed in 2008.
Only one of the three new Fords developed with $42 million taxpayer dollars - the most basic LPG Falcon - earns a high enough rating to make it onto the purchasing lists for some government departments across Australia.
For example, NSW state fleet has a minimum ''pollution'' and ''greenhouse'' score of 13.5 (out of 20) for all but emergency vehicles.
But the four-cylinder Falcon (13 out of 20) and diesel Territory (9 out of 20) don’t make the cut-off. The new LPG Falcon does comply, scoring 15 out of 20.
Government fleets are allowed to buy vehicles below this score, but if they do they won't meet their environmental targets.
Late last year the Federal Government appointed William Angove, the former boss of Ford in Indonesia, to encourage government departments to buy more locally-made cars.
In its submission to Federal authorities, Transport NSW said it has ''concern regarding the proposal to abolish the GVG star ratings system and would encourage the Department of Infrastructure and Transport to reconsider its proposal”.
Sophie Mirabella, the shadow minister for Industry, Innovation and Science, said the proposal to drop the star rating system was another example of the government's ''disastrous ad-hoc approach to green policy and cars.''
''The current scheme was started by our government, and [as with] a lot of policies [the Federal Government] just want to get rid of it for the sake of it,'' Ms Mirabella told News Limited.
The office of Anthony Albanese, the federal minister for Infrastructure and Transport, issued a statement to News Limited: ''The government is considering the feedback received from the community in response to the discussion paper.''
The statement also mistakenly said a number-based rating system would be introduced. It already exists.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 7th, 2013, 5:46 pm
by nstg8a
Such a bullshit biased article from non other than gm holdens media advisor Joshua dowling...


That muppet should have to say up front he's paid by Holden and as such his opinion will most probably be biased.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 7th, 2013, 7:01 pm
by Commando
Journalism aside, are those numbers (300 + 115 + 121) the TOTAL sales for the ecoboost??? (To Nov 30). I wonder how the EcoLPi is faring?

I would've thought the govt would've doubled the private/ford employee numbers.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 7th, 2013, 7:25 pm
by justa6
[quote="nstg8a"]Such a bullshit biased article from non other than gm holdens media advisor Joshua dowling...


That muppet should have to say up front he's paid by Holden and as such his opinion will most probably be biased.[/quot]

definitely.. wonder what holden/toyota scored in the pollution thing? i guess a 20 according to this kunt.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 7th, 2013, 7:41 pm
by nstg8a
Commando wrote:Journalism aside, are those numbers (300 + 115 + 121) the TOTAL sales for the ecoboost??? (To Nov 30). I wonder how the EcoLPi is faring?

I would've thought the govt would've doubled the private/ford employee numbers.

I'm sure that bossxr8 fella on aff said they're building 4 a day or something, so yeah, not huge numbers at all.

Personally I reckon if Camry can market itself in the medium class based purely on its engine size then the Ecoboost falcon should be able to as well.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 8th, 2013, 10:55 am
by Bipolar
Government vehicle selection criteria change yearly and are a joke. If they went by the total carbon output of each vehicle from conception right through to finishing on the production line, I bet they'd have an arseload more Aussie cars in their fleets.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 8th, 2013, 11:29 am
by pHaT`eL
I like how Fords numbers are "SOLD", Toyotas are "DELIVERED" and Holdens are "ORDER BOOK"

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 8th, 2013, 2:52 pm
by sec
GM / HOLDEN struggle with sales and quality, not to mention now they are sacrificing sales in a failing effort to try and sell low quality vehicles to the unsuspecting public.

Just watch their adds on TV compared to Fords adds they are reducing the value of their product doesn't that tell you something. " loosing the plot after their struggle to try and maintain the so call Australian car"

This Joshua guy is stooping to the lowest of low trying to down the Ford product, well I suppose he has to if he want's keep his job as GM Australia are looking to reduce their staff to try and stay viable in the Australian car market.

Any fool ( Joshua ) can rattle of number with the intention to confuse the public into believing a product is failing but what he has failed to see is the car buying public is a tad smarter this he.

One good thing when this clown Joshua is retrenched along with many other GM staff he can always get a job in writing fiction novels or cartoon comics he looks like that is his calling in life.

cheers

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 8th, 2013, 3:07 pm
by sec
Little bit of interesting reading!

US motoring media report that parent company to General Motors Australia will switch to a North American-built large car from 2015, based on new-generation Zeta underpinnings.

Holden has yet to commit itself to another Commodore beyond the VF.

The Holden Commodore was a $1 billion development, but this generation of Holden’s large car will have a shorter lifecycle.

Holden boss Mike Devereux wouldn’t back the Commodore when CarAdvice asked him at the time of the announcement whether he was committed to vehicles industry in Australia.

It strengthens speculation that the VF Holden Commodore will be the last of the famous nameplate to be entirely designed, developed and built in Australia.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 8th, 2013, 6:44 pm
by nstg8a
Pretty much already confirmed.

When Holden got its handout it had to outline to govco what it was intending to build.

Two lines, one is cruze, the other is heavily rumoured to be a cruze based SUV.

I said it on falcon forums, il add it here too...


I remember that being bought up, but is impala made anywhere in rhd form currently?

I still believe commodore will become a global model, assembled somewhere cheap, ( the USA makes sense, given their economy), call it a commo here, chev ss in sepoland, vauxhall whatever in the uk.

Good competition to the mustang going global too.
And economies of scale and strong dollar could mean a ss equivalent has a rrp of low 30s... Before discounting.

And considering how many blind Holden owners believe the commodore is currently built alongside the Colorado and barina it could well be business as usual for gmh.


Il add too, that I believe the forth coming chev ss performance exports are a toe in the water to see if the commodore will be accepted as a global rwd performance car. Obviously tweaked for individual markets.

None Of the top selling cars are built for one market only, global models are the way of the future.

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 8th, 2013, 9:12 pm
by Rollin
I guess we can ultimately thank the gumbyment for fucking australian car manufacturing.

But it's allllll good. We don't need aussie manufacturing jobs or aussie built products - we can just sell coal, gas and uranium forever, because those resources will never, ever run out...

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 9th, 2013, 4:06 pm
by NUT347
Lol and the coal industry is doing so well now at the moment :roll:

Re: news: $42m of your money for Ford green duds

PostPosted: January 9th, 2013, 4:09 pm
by private9
Rollin wrote:I guess we can ultimately thank the gumbyment for fucking australian car manufacturing.

But it's allllll good. We don't need aussie manufacturing jobs or aussie built products - we can just sell coal, gas and uranium forever, because those resources will never, ever run out...

And then we can become a services economy :good: Seems to work well everywhere else!