Affordable front brake upgrade for e-series!

by **private9** » February 23rd, 2008, 7:52 pm

Hi Guys,

Went past a brake place the other day, and they have affordable front brake upgrades available!

The 2 affordable kits are as follows:

VT Calipers and rotors (297mm) - pad size is nearly twice the size of the e series ones. - $1025 supplied including performance pads.
Will fit 15" rims

BA Calipers and rotors (320 something mm) - pad size is twice the size of e series. - $1125 supplied including performance pads.
Need 16"+ rims

Best of all, they retain the e-series offset!

The place is located in Campbellfield VIC, and is called Just Brakes. 9308 9616.

They also offer fitting for $250 + fluid, but it's all a straight bolt in, so wouldn't be too difficult to do yourself.

I'm looking forward to getting a set!

Thanks,

Justin.

by **simon5574** » February 23rd, 2008, 8:16 pm

The BA ones sound good, price is still up there but ya aint gonna get much cheaper i guess

by **private9** » February 23rd, 2008, 8:34 pm

Yep, don't think you're going to find anything cheaper, other than your typical slotted rotors and pads upgrade which sucks balls.

by **Rollin** » February 24th, 2008, 12:08 am

Under 1200 for a decent set if bloody unreal!!!

You gents/ladies need to start ordering that stuff, to encourage them to do more development!

I wonder if they are working on anything bigger :twisted:

I'll have to see if they can sort me out with an AU offset kit 8-)

by **private9** » February 24th, 2008, 12:21 am

Rollin, there was also a 3rd upgrade option. I can't remember the specifics, but it was BF Brembos and IIRC the price was around $2800 which again, is very reasonable.

I would've ordered on the spot, except I'm supposed to be picking up a turbo kit this weekend.

by **Malakai** » February 24th, 2008, 9:13 am

Hell yeah that is pretty decent. I was just thinking about an affordable way to make the brakes better the other day. I thought why hasn't anyone thought of installing a second set of calipers. Make some sort of adapter plate and get a second stock caliper on the front discs.

There is probably a hundred things wrong with the idea but I'm trying to think outside of the box... 8-)

Anyway these are very affordable though and might be just what I need next time I have to spend money on brakes. Which isn't far off, I need to replace at least one piston dust boot that I know is cactus already. Pads will need doing before the end of the year too I think, and depending on the thickness of the discs they might have to be renewed as well.

by **LUXO_8** » February 24th, 2008, 9:53 am

bunch of ferraris have twin calipers on the front, not as stupid an idea as you think...
not sure how it'd go fitting an eseries though

by **ed40** » February 24th, 2008, 10:54 am

well if someone decides to buy them can you post up pics and thoughts..
Very interested in the BA calipers. How do they keep the e-series offset?

by **Rollin** » February 24th, 2008, 12:00 pm

The problem with running two calipers is that the area available for the disc to shed heat is reduced, so while you can grip the disc harder, you generate more heat, and it has nowhere to go. Bigger discs have more mechanical advantage on the wheel, and a larger surface area with which to dissipate heat - you're better off using stock calipers on oversize discs than running oversize calipers on stock discs IMHO.

Luxo_8 - post pics of said ferraris - I've never heard of twins on the front. Some of the old two litre super tourers used to run twin tiny calipers on the rears, I'm not sure why though. I know that some supercars run twin calipers on the rear also, but one is there exclusively as a hand brake, and the other is only for 'service brakes'.

by **OED666** » March 3rd, 2008, 10:19 pm

i'm ringing that place tomorrow... keen as mustard!!!

private9 - do you know of anyone who has them fitted, or do they have a e-series with them already fitted.

by **makvaiielles_xr6** » March 3rd, 2008, 10:25 pm

talk to cmywpn.. he put twin piston ba set up on his ride. how thick are the rotors and are they twin pots? as for the stage 3 ones you my as well buy the gt's.... still great deal!!! 8-)

by **OED666** » March 3rd, 2008, 10:28 pm

this setup which has el gt rotors costs around $2500...
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1990&p=35047&hilit=fairmont1998#p35047

the brake upgrade mentioned in this thread is much cheaper..

by **DOHC-EB** » March 3rd, 2008, 10:47 pm

WOW!!!! this is good news!!!

need to contact them to see if they can make them in au/ba offset!

seriously thinking about getting a set. hmmm brembo's

by **DOHC-EB** » March 3rd, 2008, 10:48 pm

just thought... wonder if they will do a group buy

getting them even cheaper FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **makvaiielles_xr6** » March 3rd, 2008, 10:50 pm

+1 for group buys
are the ba ones slotted?

by **nothin suss** » March 3rd, 2008, 11:21 pm

So how exactly does this all work being BA Rotors.. They are a different hub/bearing and brake setup to e-series?? Do they use off the shelf rotors and calipers or modified?

by **CMYWPN** » March 4th, 2008, 1:05 am

by **private9** » March 4th, 2008, 9:55 am

OED - sorry mate, no pics or referrals.

CMYWPN wrote:they use au2 calipers with el gt rotors, i got ba calipers with el gt rotors which is better cos the ba caliper is far more bigger with more friction surface.

They told me the cheapest kit uses VT calipers & rotors and the $100 more kit uses BA calipers & rotors which are a touch bigger than AU2/3.

It is awfully good value if it is what they say.

by **nothin suss** » March 4th, 2008, 10:40 am

Im still not reall understanding how a BA rotor will mount to an e-series spindle?

Do you have a conatct number for the company private9?

by **Gunns** » March 4th, 2008, 12:49 pm

If anyone would like to donate a set of spindles I will post up how to do the VT Caliper conversion using your current rotors. Total cost to do it is about $200 + the cost of braided lines if you want to be fancy. Just need a set so I can take pictures as I go for the tute. Mod time is 4 to 6 hours.

by **private9** » March 4th, 2008, 4:38 pm

nothin suss wrote:Im still not reall understanding how a BA rotor will mount to an e-series spindle?
Do you have a conatct number for the company private9?

I have no idea mate! Company, location and phone in first post.

by **nothin suss** » March 4th, 2008, 10:50 pm

private9 wrote: I have no idea mate! Company, location and phone in first post.

Sorry buddy, i was rushing thru the post at work and missed it. Thanks

I just called them up they are ADR approved.
They supply:
An adaptor to mount the caliper to the spindle (do not modify ba caliper or spindle at all)
Standard rotors, Ba calipers and braided lines.
And they actually have a specially fabricated hub that contains the bearings and fixes itself to the spindle. This would have the wheel studs pressed into it obviously and then your rotor slides over, then wheel on. Basically the same way a BA is designed.

I asked if they can supply only the caliper adaptor and hub but they said NO

GOT TO BUY THE WHOLE LOT...
There is often BA calipers dirt cheap about forums or ebay and aftermarket rotors are dirt cheap trade price, about $90 a pair. Thought we might be able to save a little? These type of mods i struggle to justify because its worth more than half of my car cost!

by **nothin suss** » March 6th, 2008, 5:14 pm

Well the fella just called me back and hour ago and said that the kit is $1800ish and you have to supply a set of spindles for changeover. I have confirmed there is absolutley no chance of buying parts seperate

by **CMYWPN** » March 6th, 2008, 5:37 pm

by **private9** » March 6th, 2008, 7:45 pm

nothin suss wrote:Well the fella just called me back and hour ago and said that the kit is $1800ish and you have to supply a set of spindles for changeover. I have confirmed there is absolutley no chance of buying parts seperate

WTF happenned to the prices he quoted me?!

by **old_mate** » March 6th, 2008, 9:02 pm

he must have thought u were hot

by **OED666** » March 6th, 2008, 9:37 pm

if there is not modification to the spindles, why are they on an exchange basis?

CMYWPN spindle mod = $600 plus postage
EL GT Rotors - $600 plus postage
BA Calipers = ???
Bracket for Calipers = ???
Braided Lines = ???

So far thats $1200. Its possible for it to be around $1500 I reckon...

well... there goes that mod... group buy + 11ty billion!!!

by **CMYWPN** » March 6th, 2008, 9:57 pm

brackets come with calipers.
i used ford factory late model lined which are more than enough.

by **nothin suss** » March 6th, 2008, 11:20 pm

OED666 wrote:if there is not modification to the spindles, why are they on an exchange basis?

The fella told me there was no mods earlier this afternoon but when he called me back he mentioned the exchange spindles.

He was a bit all over the shop with the info. I hate talking on the phone to places like this, going in personally is the go to get facts and prices 100%

by **CMYWPN** » March 6th, 2008, 11:21 pm

by **OED666** » March 6th, 2008, 11:34 pm

CMYWPN wrote:spindles HAVE to be modified!

Thats what i originally thought, but reading the posts from the other guys i thought maybe they somehow automagically did something unknown to all mankind.

Serioulsy thinking about getting my spindles modified. No turning back if i take them off.

Just have to try and hide the $1400 that will be missing from the account... might be hard after i am also spending $400 on my seats, and $900 on panel work. umm...

Maybe I should take some advice from the totalspan add... "Who can, OED666 can"

by **Malakai** » March 6th, 2008, 11:36 pm

This is very tempting indeed, although to go to the BA caliper version I would have to ditch the 15" wheels. Might be worth it though! Just go to some modest 17" wheels or something.

by **OED666** » March 17th, 2008, 11:13 pm

hey private9, any chance of going back into that shop and confirming the price. i would buy a set tomorrow for the original price. money is ready to be spent!!!

by **private9** » March 18th, 2008, 12:24 pm

OED666 wrote:hey private9, any chance of going back into that shop and confirming the price. i would buy a set tomorrow for the original price. money is ready to be spent!!!

Hey mate, I should be back there in the next fortnight, so I'll go find out then. If you need an answer earlier though, I'm pretty sure I've got their number in the first post.
I hope they are the original prices, as they're more than reasonable! If they are, as soon as I finish spending on my other car, I'll grab a set for sure.
Thanks,
Justin.

by **OED666** » March 18th, 2008, 2:16 pm

yea, i will give them a call soon.... so hanging for something nice and new on my car... and sexy dinner plate brakes are the G-O...

by **OED666** » April 1st, 2008, 1:48 pm

FUCKING RETARDED!!!

I had the mula ready to pay for the brakes... but... they arent the correct offset. Its pretty much the kit that Dr Hemi was on about ages ago. Its also the same brake kit thats up on ebay.

The offset is in no-mans land... And i mentioned that to the guys... unfortunately its completely useless. Either go e-series or au offset. pretty simple really. why bother R&D on a product, and then manufacture something thats not suitable. FARK!!!

looks like the money is now going towards a turbo kit instead.

by **Bipolar** » April 1st, 2008, 1:57 pm

by **private9** » April 1st, 2008, 3:35 pm

OED666 wrote:FUCKING RETARDED!!!

I had the mula ready to pay for the brakes... but... they arent the correct offset. Its pretty much the kit that Dr Hemi was on about ages ago. Its also the same brake kit thats up on ebay.

The offset is in no-mans land... And i mentioned that to the guys... unfortunately its completely useless. Either go e-series or au offset. pretty simple really. why bother R&D on a product, and then manufacture something thats not suitable. FARK!!!

looks like the money is now going towards a turbo kit instead.

Agreed!

I apologise for getting everyone excited over these brakes, but they did assure me they were e-series offset. I did question this twice. Glad I didn't order in the end.

by **Malakai** » April 1st, 2008, 5:05 pm

So what the hell are they for? Seems like a pretty big design problem. What would you have to do to get them on our cars?

I'm confused!

by **nothin suss** » April 1st, 2008, 5:19 pm

So are these the +20mm offset ones as advertised on ebay???

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