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Compulsory Immobiliser's

Posted:
August 12th, 2008, 2:11 am
by Robertsbrock
I just got back from Bunbury ( Western Australia ) and while i was over thier i was told of a law they have over their which its compulsory to have a immobiliser in your car no matter what age the car is and all for security reasons..
Just wondering what ya's think about this if they want to bring it into all states here in australia ??
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

Posted:
August 12th, 2008, 8:52 am
by t1MMy
It has to be some bullshit scheme the insurance companies have going so they dont have to cough up the insurance. Imagine how many ppl would b pissed off if their car got nicked and had no immobiliser.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

Posted:
August 12th, 2008, 8:54 am
by mike1989
If it was the NT that had that law i'd be making abo jokes

Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 11:54 am
by Frost
Acutally if you read
http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au its to help reduce car theft.
So insted of stealing the car they just steal everything in it. Happened to my Brothers cars a few times.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 12:12 pm
by purped
mike1989 wrote:If it was the NT that had that law i'd be making abo jokes

WATCH WHAT YOUR SAYIN MATE
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

Posted:
August 12th, 2008, 12:53 pm
by Robertsbrock
hahah make a joke anyways lol , And yeah i suppose it would make the insurance company happy.. I wonder what would happen with the insurance company if u got everything in ya car knocked off would they pay for the whole sterio shit and all ?
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 2:38 pm
by Frost
Depends on your policy. Mine only covers me for $500 worth of personal items, enough to cover a phone, or cd player. Physical money is never gunna get insurance.
But i have extra insurance on my laptop if someone walked away with 4g of laptop and i only got $500 id be shattered.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

Posted:
August 12th, 2008, 4:58 pm
by rhys
If anyone here knows electronics here they may be able to help me out..
I was thinking about immobilisers the other day and came to this thought, what if i simply had a kill switch on one wire coming from the ignition (not sure which one but id look it up in the workshop manual, maybe all on a multiple switch) which was hidden and when in the off position it wouldnt matter even if you had my keys you still couldnt start my car, then with a flick of the switch the circuit is complete and the car starts normally.
Anyone else ever thought of this, or tried this, or know any fatal flaws in this idea?
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

Posted:
August 12th, 2008, 5:10 pm
by LUXO_8
i think you just discovered how an immobiliser works
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 5:12 pm
by nommic
You should patent that idea!
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 5:27 pm
by rhys
LUXO_8 wrote:i think you just discovered how an immobiliser works
well i know how an immboliser works this is just something i can install myself at a total cost fo about $3 lol
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 9:13 pm
by serial_fool
Yeah can be done, I wouldn't count on the Insurance company paying it as a real immobiliser though.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 9:22 pm
by rhys
well its more of an insurance policy to myself. The car only cost $2500 and they wanted that again for comprehensive so ive opted to go with third party until im older and have a more expensive car.
Ill have a look at my workshop manual and see what the circuit looks like.
mite take a week or so to get around to it, but ill try to let you guys know how i go.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 9:37 pm
by holmsy
ummm extremely simple mate.
put a switch in wire to fuel pump, between smart lock and ecu, in the final wire on the ignition barrel (just measure which point gets power when you turn the key to start.)
any of them and many more spots will work.
hell my xr has fucked up smart lock. takes a certain hit to make it work. its actually a pretty precise hit as well. not jus bashing.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 9:53 pm
by rhys
oh ok, i was thinking between the ignition and the ecu, after a quick glance it seemed to be the easiest.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 9:56 pm
by mike1989
purped wrote:mike1989 wrote:If it was the NT that had that law i'd be making abo jokes

WATCH WHAT YOUR SAYIN MATE
Heh, im just hanging shit, relax
Oh and before we get into another 50ty million year argument, no i'm not gonna say sorry.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 9:58 pm
by BLCKED
LUXO_8 wrote:i think you just discovered how an immobiliser works
thats a kill switch
(single point immobiliser)
good immobolisers stop fuel, spark, ignition etc.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 10:09 pm
by holmsy
umm you can make 1 switch kill all 3

Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 10:13 pm
by BLCKED
yeah figured that, but 3 switches is better.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 10:16 pm
by holmsy
lets all get in our car and go flickin switches everywhere.
why not just hook up a bluetooth tag that picks up that you have your phone and it swiches everything for you and allows you to start ya car

Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 10:18 pm
by BLCKED
better yet, get decent insurance so when you park your car for 7 hrs at a train station while your getting smashed in the city you dont have to worry because the car and everything done to it is coverd. i reken insurance beats alamrs/immobilisers any day.
that would be a nice feature, even open the doors?
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 12th, 2008, 10:35 pm
by Frost
Yes but alarms and immobilsers make for cheaper insurance.
And Excess is a killer

Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 13th, 2008, 10:18 am
by rhys
yer insurance beats alarms only when it is actually worth insureing a car, if i paid 2 years of comp it would cost around $5000, the car only cost $2500

so i would actually be better off having my car stolen and buying another one, because atleast that way there is no excess and no cliam against my name making insurance go up even more

third party is the way for now.
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 13th, 2008, 7:57 pm
by BLCKED
for starters get agreed value, not market
market value is waste of time
my eb's and ed's have all been insured for the maximum agreed value (around $8800)
thats not what i paid for the car its what i believe its worth.
full comp for agreed value was only 2200 for me and i have lost my license 3 times... but your only p plates yeah?
it gets cheaper after 21
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 13th, 2008, 8:14 pm
by Frost
Lol I insured my XR for market value I got 8500 compared to the 3400 I paid for it

Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 13th, 2008, 8:23 pm
by BLCKED
i insured my eb ghia for 8000
after excess and rest of premium i got $5500 for it and only paid $1200 for it hahaha
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 13th, 2008, 8:24 pm
by Frost
lol its good isnt it
Re: Compulsory Immobiliser's

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August 13th, 2008, 8:27 pm
by BLCKED
hell yes,
the car was a 91 eb ghia 5 litre, had 420 kms on it thats why i got it cheap haha
not that i wanted it stolen, had to walk to cop shop then walk home (all up like 11 kms)
but in the end worked out good for me,