Drift Section

by **SLY347** » November 4th, 2007, 9:56 am

Talk that is all drift, setups/comps/pics etc.....
Adelaide just had its first Stadium Drift here last night, was really good, especially to see a few interstate cars come down. First time wer've seen a tight, technical track, due to A.I.R and Mallala being open a sort of flowing.
Top 4 placings were
1st: Josh Young.
2nd: Rohan Merchant
3rd: Christian Pickering
4th: Joel Mackeras

by **CMYWPN** » November 4th, 2007, 11:35 am

did luke fink compete?

by **SLY347** » November 4th, 2007, 11:38 am

No he didnt, thought he was tho. Think he was busy

by **SLY347** » November 4th, 2007, 3:01 pm

Pics from the event,
http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/ ... 07470.6062

by **ed40** » November 9th, 2007, 7:38 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50nb6vBWVYo
I know the blue eb is OPLEZE or something who says N/A coons can't drift!!

by **Damo** » November 9th, 2007, 7:46 pm

That XE runs a flat 14 iirc N/A and the EB is reported to be making around 230 rwkw N/A.

Nice video.

by **oneredED** » November 10th, 2007, 12:14 am

LOL, I think you mean 130rwkw Damo

by **Damo** » November 10th, 2007, 10:57 am

oneredED wrote:LOL, I think you mean 130rwkw Damo

Nah... LOL

Just what I've heard on the grape vine.

by **Kenaz** » November 11th, 2007, 9:57 am

Damo wrote:That XE runs a flat 14 iirc N/A and the EB is reported to be making around 230 rwkw N/A.

Nice video.

That's Stormy's XE! You're right, he ran a 14 flat with heaps of traction issues and a baby cam. I've been for a few laps around Calder in it. Absolutely insane fun! Easily the best driver I've been in the car with.

And James' (OPLESE) EB runs a 6 TB setup now, I'm not 100% sure if it's been tuned properly yet. At the Nizpro dyno day it was still running a pretty rough tune.

by **ORSMEB** » November 11th, 2007, 4:32 pm

Kenaz wrote:
Damo wrote:That XE runs a flat 14 iirc N/A and the EB is reported to be making around 230 rwkw N/A.

Nice video.

That's Stormy's XE! You're right, he ran a 14 flat with heaps of traction issues and a baby cam. I've been for a few laps around Calder in it. Absolutely insane fun! Easily the best driver I've been in the car with.

And James' (OPLESE) EB runs a 6 TB setup now, I'm not 100% sure if it's been tuned properly yet. At the Nizpro dyno day it was still running a pretty rough tune.

True! They're both top drivers. I'm not sure on James dyno reading yet... :shock:

by **CaRtZ** » March 8th, 2008, 1:19 am

OPLESE kept up with the pro's (including Fink [in his street soarer]) @ spring nats in november. the t/b setup and coil ignition setup is very interesting indeed. also the hydro h/brake.

by **Malakai** » March 8th, 2008, 9:48 am

Oh yeah NA falcons can drift for sure. That video is awesome, XE vs EB.

by **BI6TIM** » March 31st, 2008, 3:30 pm

I'm going out to drift practice at QR this Friday night. I'll be sure to post whatever pics and vids we get of it in here to liven it up a bit.

by **oneredED** » March 31st, 2008, 7:37 pm

BI6TIM wrote:I'm going out to drift practice at QR this Friday night. I'll be sure to post whatever pics and vids we get of it in here to liven it up a bit.

I can't wait for the vids

Good luck

by **drift el** » April 1st, 2008, 5:28 pm

someone told me that fords have a bit of a problem with understeer is that true i had a bit of a problem when i had 15's in the wet but now i have 17's havn't had a chance to drift on them yet but hopefully it might cancel it out a bit anyone know anything on that?

by **nothin suss** » April 1st, 2008, 5:36 pm

drift el wrote:someone told me that fords have a bit of a problem with understeer is that true i had a bit of a problem when i had 15's in the wet but now i have 17's havn't had a chance to drift on them yet but hopefully it might cancel it out a bit anyone know anything on that?

99% of street cars will understeer in the wet if pushed... Real drifting is for the dry, wet drifting is just fun for to/from work!

by **drift el** » April 1st, 2008, 6:07 pm

will fatter tyres make much of a difference in the wet though or will it still understeer?

by **nothin suss** » April 1st, 2008, 6:19 pm

drift el wrote:will fatter tyres make much of a difference in the wet though or will it still understeer?

From previous experiences a cheap chinese 17"-19" tyre will not out perform a quality australian made 15"-16" tyre in the wet...

To eliminate a bit of understeer get an alignment and try 1-2 degress camber on the front and avoid cheap tyres.

As for drifting and rear tyres in the wet anything will suffice, go for cheap as possible without being a remould. Money spent on good front tyres for your safety is well invested.

by **BI6TIM** » April 1st, 2008, 6:25 pm

Power over steer on public roads in the wet is not Drifting!!!

by **drift el** » April 1st, 2008, 6:46 pm

i agree with what the guy above me said

by **ORSMEB** » April 1st, 2008, 6:59 pm

mmmmm....yeah, ok

by **nothin suss** » April 1st, 2008, 7:04 pm

nothin suss wrote: Real drifting is for the dry, wet drifting is just fun for to/from work!

by **[Sterling]** » April 1st, 2008, 7:06 pm

nothin suss wrote:
nothin suss wrote: Real drifting is for the dry, wet drifting is just fun for to/from work!

amen!

by **Malakai** » April 1st, 2008, 8:10 pm

vicfords

by **BI6TIM** » April 1st, 2008, 8:49 pm

drift el wrote:i agree with what the guy above me said

My statement below was aimed at you champ! There is no way you can drift your car since you're asking us about understeer problems and have a thread about starting the mods on your EL, which would tell me your EL is stock!?

BI6TIM wrote:Power over steer on public roads in the wet is not Drifting!!!

by **Fairmont888** » April 2nd, 2008, 11:17 am

+1 for agreement with tim

by **kstevo** » April 5th, 2008, 8:51 pm

What are some of the basics that should be done to ya car before ya can drift it without having to worry bout damage?

by **BI6TIM** » April 5th, 2008, 8:55 pm

kstevo wrote:What are some of the basics that should be done to ya car before ya can drift it without having to worry bout damage?

No such thing! Even the best guys damage their cars every now and then.

As for the basics, I take it you mean to drift a falcon?
You need suspension upgrades, diff upgrade, wheels and tyres are fairly important to get right. You'll need some horsepower and some tallent. That's about it and it applies no matter what vehicle you're driving.

by **Rollin** » April 5th, 2008, 11:17 pm

Lokka and fken stiff springs and nice stiff shocks will get you started, once you can slide like a demon with that setup (ie, link multiple corners etc) then think about more power and wider tyres, which mean you can drift at higher speeds

by **ed40** » April 6th, 2008, 1:01 pm

I had a bit of a play at the local industrial area sat morning and boy how fucken different is a turbo to drift then N/A? I'm still getting used to it.. i dont think my clutch is going to like all these clutch kicks. Lag sucks balls. Anyone have ideas on how to minimise the lag when entering a drift? Obviously a smaller turbo and some high diff gears would help but what about techniques if there is any? OH and my lsd is rooted so that doesn't help either :S When the Lokka goes in i'll take it barbagallo for some legal fun. end rant.

by **SLY347** » April 6th, 2008, 2:33 pm

Rollin wrote:Lokka and fken stiff springs and nice stiff shocks will get you started, once you can slide like a demon with that setup (ie, link multiple corners etc) then think about more power and wider tyres, which mean you can drift at higher speeds

What do run? Width wise

by **drift el** » April 8th, 2008, 5:05 pm

my car isn't stock it has intake system, extractors, stiffer suspension, lowered, i just had a bit of trouble in the wet cause i had stockies on the front while trying to find new wheels for my car but i now have 17's on there with much wider tyres and they grip like no tomorrow, as for my other thread i was looking into modifying my car cause i would like to get more power out of it than i am getting at the moment, so far i have had no problems drifting with wider tyres.

by **BI6TIM** » April 8th, 2008, 6:52 pm

Well in that case I'll take back most of what I said earlier.
Though I will say, that kind of driving should be left on the race track. If think about it you are only one slight miss-judgement away from killing people while doing that stuff on the street.

That said, that is the reason why I went to the trouble and expense of turboing my car to have enough horse power to hopefully be a competitive drifter on the track where it matters.

by **drift el** » April 8th, 2008, 7:26 pm

thats also why i want to modify my car further so i can get onto the track and compete but for the street it's ok, i do understand the dangers of drifting on the street so i make sure i'm alone in the car so nobody else gets injured

by **BI6TIM** » April 8th, 2008, 9:43 pm

drift el wrote: i do understand the dangers of drifting on the street so i make sure i'm alone in the car so nobody else gets injured

What about people in other cars? Or stepping out from behind a parked car or a mail box?

by **b_money** » April 9th, 2008, 6:51 am

weight reduction is always forgotten, get rid of everything, even sound deadening
you dont need power to slide, just sweet skills, check out my friends old 2.4lt toyota corona, nothing special just locked diff, very very stiff suspension and dont forget that front camber!

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-h3eDn5PgmI

by **AaronEF8** » April 9th, 2008, 5:57 pm

For drifting I would be going a spool over a lokka and save $500. having the wheels locked all the time is more predictable. Not saying lokkas are bad at all, but with a dedicated drift car, it won't be in too many carparks.

More castor is one of the most overlooked things for drifting, especially in a double wishbone style front end like a Falcon. Shortened radius rods and a camber/castor kit will fix that. Going for the biggest rear swaybar you can find, along with an adjustable front swaybar is the way to go for adjustability,

With big swaybars, the springs don't need to be stupidly hard, so you can still get a wheel onto a ripple strip etc and not unsettle the car too much, plus with softer rear springs you'll get better drive out of the corners.

Running big grippy tyres on the front and stockies on the back isn't the best way to go drifting. Tipping the car into a corner sideways at 100kmh+ is fucking scary with 17's on the front and 15's on the rear. Look at every car that does well at an event, you'll notice they have similar front/rear tyres, it helps a lot with balance too, and with a bit more rear end grip you'll get higher cornering speed. If the back comes out too far you can adjust it with the throttle easier too.

All of this is for a dedicated track car btw. Making a daily Falcon into a drifter would be expensive and pointless.

by **Rollin** » April 9th, 2008, 6:04 pm

ed40 wrote:I had a bit of a play at the local industrial area sat morning and boy how fucken different is a turbo to drift then N/A? I'm still getting used to it.. i dont think my clutch is going to like all these clutch kicks. Lag sucks balls. Anyone have ideas on how to minimise the lag when entering a drift? Obviously a smaller turbo and some high diff gears would help but what about techniques if there is any? OH and my lsd is rooted so that doesn't help either :S When the Lokka goes in i'll take it barbagallo for some legal fun. end rant.

Go into the corner with a fair bit of rpm on board, then just before you turn in, stab the gas (which makes the turbo spool a little) then dip the clutch and hook it in, then on the gas and out with the clutch. (or if you have time stab the gas momentarily with the clutch in, then stab it again as you let the clutch out)

If you have lots of angle the tyres are easier to spin, so the engine picks up rpm (and boost) faster too. Also a good tune helps.

Also, get a lokka and you will blow your wad over how much more controllable your car is! (even though mine tried to kill me in the rain last night, but lets not go there...)

SLY347 - depends on what I've got lying around - atm I have some high quality 225/60/17s (which I got for free from my dad after he bought some wheels off an importer ages ago) and they are brilliant. The width of the rim plays a part too - if you have, say, 235s on 8" rims the car won't 'feel' as good as if you use 225s or 235s+9" rims. The more you stretch the rubber the less the car likes to tank slap, so you're better off running tyres that are smaller than you usually would on the same rim on the street.

b_money - weight reduction hasn't been mentioned here because we are talking about 100% street cars - for a track car I'd remove everything my angle grinder could get to

but it's not an option on most peoples street cars.

by **drift el** » April 9th, 2008, 7:18 pm

i only drift late at night in factory areas where the roads are as wide as a 3 lane highway and there is nobody around, i make sure it's as safe as possible until i can get onto a track anyways

by **YBYAVL** » April 10th, 2008, 1:55 pm

Rollin wrote:
b_money - weight reduction hasn't been mentioned here because we are talking about 100% street cars - for a track car I'd remove everything my angle grinder could get to but it's not an option on most peoples street cars.

weight is definatly an option on street cars wen it comes to factory items theres heaps of ways to save weight...depending on the car u begin with, i.e falcons

seats r the obvious 1 (gut all the foam out of the rear seat pads)
power windows is definatly out of the question
a/c
p/s
inlet/xhauts manifolds
battery size
carpet thikness/amount of underlay
different door trims
an if u want to go the extra mile on ur strret/drift...perspect windows/fibre glass boot bonnet (panels if u like)
stereo system
fuel load an complete fuel system as compared to LPG load/system (with fuel system gone u lose all ur EPA gear aswell = more loss of weight)
digital dash wiring weight compared to analog dash wiring weight

prety much anything u can find in ur car that it dusnt need/use is prety much "Dead Weight"

all the little things add up
just all depends on how serious u want to go with ur street car an still retain its street car appearence an feel

im not 100% sure, but i think loosing 5lbs in wieght is equivilent to gaining 1hp from the engine

so put the doritos down an go for a run

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