Discussion on running 10s - fordmods SA division

[BROCKYB8]

I meant there is no actual figure that gives you a exact time of 10 seconds.

start a new thread if u guys wanna continue this on... an YES there is power figures t get u into the 10s!

I just saw this and thought that id start a discussion.
Now i just want to get some discussion on this and no bagging out people and business and so on ,

IF this becomes that way im sure the Mods will shut down.


Now in my eyes i have seen all different figures come from cars and produce a 10 sec

going from a 400kw Ba turbo
to a Vn with 268kw on a stock 5ltr .

Am i off the mark ???

[Dansedgli]

Well maybe send hiboost a PM.


He has run a 10.

[pHaT`eL]

Im no expert, but I reckon it needs a bit from column A and a bit from column B.

A car with huge power and a setup that wont get traction will be slower than a correctly setup car with less power.

Dr Hemi V Mr. 4.0 is a perfect example, albeit not a 10 second run. 180+rwkw V 155rwkw, the latter was quicker by around a second because it was setup better. Both are EF's with cams, auto, chip, etc.

[BROCKYB8]

Well maybe send hiboost a PM.


He has run a 10.

and 9's too .

I just thought that id bring it up in discussion ,

maybe there is a figure for NA and a figure for boost i dont know .
Im more trying to get a answer.
And Hi boost asked for a thread so i thought i may as well chuck it up

[Dansedgli]

Im no expert, but I reckon it needs a bit from column A and a bit from column B.

A car with huge power and a setup that wont get traction will be slower than a correctly setup car with less power.

Dr Hemi V Mr. 4.0 is a perfect example, albeit not a 10 second run. 180+rwkw V 155rwkw, the latter was quicker by around a second because it was setup better. Both are EF's with cams, auto, chip, etc.

Or DRHEMI's figure is a load of shit.

This thread will become dyno wars then it will turn to shit.

Falcons need betweeen 350 and 450 depending on setup, traction, dyno and 11ty other things to run a 10.

[Steady]

it's fukking year 8 physics, just like MPH = power.
to accelerate an object of x weight over y distance in z time there is a set amount of power.
there is alot of variables, no doubt, but you can take a decent stab at it if you have half a brain, which unfortunately puts most of this forum at a disadvantage.

i looked at the MPH vs KW thread the other day.
it made me want to kill people.
if this thread goes the same way, i will not be held accountable for my actions.

[BROCKYB8]

Well Dan if becomes that then Lock it but i thought that we could possible have a reasonable convo about this .

350 - 450 does seem pretty vague and im thinking it will differ between cars and such .

[Dansedgli]

Maybe ask on fordmods? There are a couple of experts from South Australia on there. They'd like this conversation.

[Steady]

this isn't rocket surgery.
if the car has a T5, 19" nankangs and ultralows, then it probably won't run a 10 with 350.
if it's got a built auto and 28x10s with 350 it probably fukking will.
no, you cannot say "356kw = 10.67@124 with 98mph at halftrack and a 1.8 60", but you can say "350kw with that setup should put it around a mid 10".

[Phoenix]

more of a question to throw in as well, but it wouldn't just depend on peak power would it? depends on the total area under curve and torque in conjunction rather than just the peak rwkw as to the time it'll run, as well as the stuff steady just said.

[iCER]

1700kg~ + 380rwkw = 10sec pass in an auto, with no front runners and semi slicks.
1600kg~ + 355
1500kg~ + 320
1400kg~ + 300

There i said it. Thats my mathmatics. How did i get it? Blow me.

[josh_ef]

lol @ steady

[Mr_4.0]

yeh dr hemi made 180rwkw+ on two different dynos. i only made 155rwkw. and i ran 1 second faster.


my 155rwkw got me 14.63 @ 98mph with an auto. would love to know what id get with a manual.

[BROCKYB8]

OK cool well its more of around about figure by the sounds of it .
And it all depends on various other things as well.

[Michael (HYPOEB)]

1700kg~ + 380rwkw = 10sec pass in an auto, with no front runners and semi slicks.
1600kg~ + 355
1500kg~ + 320
1400kg~ + 300

There i said it. Thats my mathmatics. How did i get it? Blow me.

I dont think theres many EB's running 10's with 300rwkw.
I dont think theres many EB's even running 10's at all lol.

[misk]

you'd be pretty pissed off if you only ran a mid to high 10 with 380-400rwkw...
i know its a different car, but in say a pre VT commodore thats pretty much a 9 second pass.
i dont think there are enough falcons around with any proper thought in setting up the car for drags.
there seems to be alot of cars with decent power but shitty times.

[Steady]

1700kg~ + 380rwkw = 10sec pass in an auto, with no front runners and semi slicks.
1600kg~ + 355
1500kg~ + 320
1400kg~ + 300

There i said it. Thats my mathmatics. How did i get it? Blow me.

I dont think theres many EB's running 10's with 300rwkw.
I dont think theres many EB's even running 10's at all lol.

EB's don't weigh 1400kg.

if you had 380-400rwkw and ran a mid to high 10 in 1700-1800kg car why would you be pissed?

[misk]

lol **** didnt know they were that heavy...
i thought they were around 1400kg?

[Michael (HYPOEB)]

1700kg~ + 380rwkw = 10sec pass in an auto, with no front runners and semi slicks.
1600kg~ + 355
1500kg~ + 320
1400kg~ + 300

There i said it. Thats my mathmatics. How did i get it? Blow me.

I dont think theres many EB's running 10's with 300rwkw.
I dont think theres many EB's even running 10's at all lol.

EB's don't weigh 1400kg.

if you had 380-400rwkw and ran a mid to high 10 in 1700-1800kg car why would you be pissed?

Dont no why i thought they were 1400kg's? lol.
Dont BA's weigh like 1660kgs?

[Steady]

whoops nah they aren't 1700-1800, i was thinking BA, didnt realise you specifically meant EA-EL.
but yeah they arent 1400 stock and dry, let alone with added shit and wet.

[needfordspeed]

This is something i've been researching alot. As mentioned earlier there's not enough falcons to compare times/power with. Closest comparison I could think of was VL's, they're a bit lighter depending on model, and they also can rev out to 6200+ no probs, these things are into the 10's with 290+rwkw. My theory is in a EA (most lightest of the lot) you'd need around 320-340rwkw for a 10 with a decent setup. This is something i'm going to try and push, my only concern with my setup atm is the BTR holding up....

I'd love to have a decent discussion on this, maybe I'll clean all the shit outta this thread!

[needfordspeed]

Also eabaturbo ran a 9.9 with ~380rwkw, but also had a good auto and pretty sure it went on a diet and some also say it had happy gas....But going by that logic a 10 should be achievable with ~320rwkw

[Steady]

i would guess 330-340.
weighbridge it, but i got $20 on an EA being up around 1550ish kg.

sinan, how much were you actually making/running on when you did 10.7 with the BTR?

[Steady]

if you look at the maths, using one of the approx. 2 billion calculators on the net, in a 3400lb(1542kg) car you need 595hp/444kw to do a 10.9.
if you use ye ol' 30% that gives you 311rwkw.
20% gives you 355rwkw.
add in chassis dyno inaccuracy and you are in the ballpark with 330...

[needfordspeed]

He was making something around 400RWKW IIRC, but the BTR was sucking up alotta power.

I've weigh bridged it before and yeah they're around the 1520-1550KG range, that's with sub, spare and other useless shit like the passenger seat.

I reckon you can get the race weight down to 1450KG without too much trouble.

[Michael (HYPOEB)]

From what i was reading the other day in his thread he ran a 11.2 with 345rwkw and that was with the BTR and it didnt have 3.45 diff gears,I assume it would of had 3.08 or 3.23's in it?
Thats a pritty good effort!

[needfordspeed]

I've picked his brain hardcore about this shit Pretty sure he was running a 3.23 at that stage.

Gunns is also someone who knows alot about this stuff!

[BROCKYB8]

turbo tony has 450kw he has struggled to get the thing in the 10's - 11.07 i think is his best .
But his problem is he is a manual . and everytime ive seen him traction was biggest problem.

[needfordspeed]

It's about 11ty times harder to do it in a manual, but 11.07 in a manual falcon is a damn good effort. Would probably be the fastest SOHC manual falcon.

[BROCKYB8]

Well what about JMM car he is another high 9 car.
BUt his thing was stripped to nothing .
Ive never actually seen a figure on that .

[BROCKYB8]

It's about 11ty times harder to do it in a manual, but 11.07 in a manual falcon is a damn good effort. Would probably be the fastest SOHC manual falcon.

I know but just imagine if the thing got traction .

[needfordspeed]

Well what about JMM car he is another high 9 car.
BUt his thing was stripped to nothing .
Ive never actually seen a figure on that .

Are we talking 10's or 9's now?

I haven't seen it myself, but from what i've heard from people who have seen it, it's pretty much as light as they get, anything that can be lightened has been, IIRC race weight was 12-1250KG, BUT I can't confirm this....Everyone knows how it's like with drag racing, alot of people hear shit but can never back it up, so i'll just put that out there.

[Sunboost]

alot of people hear shit but can never back it up, so i'll just put that out there.

Brocky does that a lot.

My 2c.



Not in to drag racing and shit really I guess, but skating 3rd on the street with 18" tyres and a 1700kg B-Series is pretty mad. I miss doing that.

[BROCKYB8]

Well what about JMM car he is another high 9 car.
BUt his thing was stripped to nothing .
Ive never actually seen a figure on that .

Are we talking 10's or 9's now?

I haven't seen it myself, but from what i've heard from people who have seen it, it's pretty much as light as they get, anything that can be lightened has been, IIRC race weight was 12-1250KG, BUT I can't confirm this....Everyone knows how it's like with drag racing, alot of people hear shit but can never back it up, so i'll just put that out there.

ive got video of it doing a 9.98 drag day

But it did 10- flats nearly all day long .

[ed40]

i would guess 330-340.
weighbridge it, but i got $20 on an EA being up around 1550ish kg.

sinan, how much were you actually making/running on when you did 10.7 with the BTR?

FYI a mate and I took oru cars over a weightbridge about 5 years ago.

His = EA S pac 1990 5spd, 1/2 tank full, nobody inside it = 1400kg on the dot.
Mine=ED 5spd, 1/4 tank fuel, nobody inside it = 1560kg

[iCER]

any EAs here with 300rwkw-320rwkw ran 10's? (even 10.99). Auto with semi slicks.

I calculated 100kg = 25rwkw. Hence my above calculations. How? Blow me.

[rhys]

according to an ACTUAL source as a lot of guys are asking for:

Ea manual weighs -
Kerb Weight (kg) 1386
http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/det ... 71E6AF9E55

Ea auto weighs -
Kerb Weight (kg) 1412
http://www.redbook.com.au/used-cars/det ... 71E6AF9E55

you can look any other car up there you want - CBF doing the whole range. Redbook seems to be pretty accurate with their figures :-)

[EFFalcon]

you make 10's sound easy...

[BROCKYB8]

you make 10's sound easy...

Thats sort of where this convo came from .
He made a comment what they needed for 10 .

How about pyro car didnt that have about 400kw dont think he even got 10 -(i dont know alot about his car mind you manual/auto?)

[EFFalcon]

some common sense is required.
Pyroay was Manual