cheetrs daily - EB GHIA SII, 20z, respray, TE50 tickford mot

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » August 25th, 2009, 8:09 pm

what difference is getting your springs compressed to just cutting them your self?
wont it still ride the same if you just cut them?

by **CHEETR** » August 25th, 2009, 8:10 pm

the suspension centre in keealba is doing it, bit of a drive but they are the only ones i can find who do it and do it properly.

you take the car there, takes about 3 hours they remove them and compress to your desired height while you wait and put them back in.

cost is $280... i wouldnt bother if i had standard springs, but being that i already have heavy duty supers i might as well keep em and get em compressed.

that way there wont be much travel in them and i can go heaps lower.

guards have already been rolled, so im going pretty low.. ebs look tuff low.

--- CUT THEM?? are you fukin serious dude.. dangerous as anything.. i dont do things half assed.

by **CHEETR** » August 25th, 2009, 8:21 pm

Michael (HYPOEB) wrote:what difference is getting your springs compressed to just cutting them your self?
wont it still ride the same if you just cut them?

compressing them retains all the coils.
cutting them removes coils.. leaving it very easy for them to jump out when theres heaps of travel.

not only that removing coils will make the car ride like shit.

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » August 25th, 2009, 8:25 pm

when they compress the springs how do they make them stay there?
some type of heat treatment?

by **CHEETR** » August 25th, 2009, 8:27 pm

they are heated at very high temperature and compressed with a machine, exactly the same way they are manufactured.

by **Dansedgli** » August 25th, 2009, 8:28 pm

CHEETR wrote:cutting them removes coils.. leaving it very easy for them to jump out when theres heaps of travel.

How does a spring fall out on an E series?

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » August 25th, 2009, 8:31 pm

CHEETR wrote:they are heated at very high temperature and compressed with a machine, exactly the same way they are manufactured.

alright thanks for the info,i mite look into this

your cars going to look tuff tucking rim!

by **CHEETR** » August 25th, 2009, 8:31 pm

dan - they can fall out of any car when you start removing coils. hence why its illegal. your pretty keen if you wana chop springs on a live axel car of this size ie commodore or falcon.
ive seen a fair bit of damage done to front struts as well from bogans cuttings their springs. leave it to 17year olds with vn commodores and a set of stockies.

hypo- np. thanks mate.

by **EBOOST** » August 25th, 2009, 9:10 pm

yeah but compressing them makes them shorter also so without shorter shocks they could still pop out of position anyway.
also compressing them they heat them and set them in a position which makes the spring shorter basicly the same as cutting but not to the same extent.
but in saying that they regain there ride quality where as cut springs usualy go a bit soggy and will be more bouncy.
cheers josh.

by **CHEETR** » August 26th, 2009, 12:29 pm

alot harder for them to pop out of position as with retaining all the coils theres alot more resistance holding them in place.

theres also less travel, meaning less rubbing

by **SnyperEB** » August 26th, 2009, 12:31 pm

So i gather your keeping it now.

by **EFFalcon** » August 26th, 2009, 1:40 pm

they can't 'fall out' of an eseries given theres a shock in the way

but they can come out of their mounts and cause issues.

i had reset springs in the EF before the bags, they were very soft.

by **travs ea-xr6** » August 26th, 2009, 2:25 pm

where they reset super low king springs john or just stockys compressed

by **EFFalcon** » August 26th, 2009, 2:39 pm

reset tickford springs.

by **CHEETR** » August 26th, 2009, 3:28 pm

snyper- its advertised if someone wants it ill sell it, but till then im keepin it and my dads gona use it to drive to work while his car comes and im gona do a few things to it... and drive it when i got time and have a bit of fun in it.
kinda hard to get rid of anyway, i like the car a fair bit.

effalcon- i was reffering to them being dislodged they can still do heaps of damage even having a shock up the middle.

by **EFFalcon** » August 26th, 2009, 3:34 pm

i agree, just the thought of springs 'falling out' is quite amusing.

by **BROCKYB8** » August 26th, 2009, 3:46 pm

so did you end up getting rid of the 20's on it or are you letting dad drive on them.
Id hate to scratch them

by **CHEETR** » August 26th, 2009, 3:52 pm

20z are staying on...im still gona be cruising around a bit in it as well. its only 5mins a day he is gona drive it.

he drove my vt round for a bit and never marked rims or the car so i dont mind.

by **BROCKYB8** » August 26th, 2009, 4:04 pm

Lol 5 mins ok well then you dont have to worry about it then .

Cheetr you can never be to sure around other drivers .
Our rep at work jjust had some dude scratch his rims on our display vehicle .
didnt do any damage to rest of car jus the rim. and then took off

by **CHEETR** » August 26th, 2009, 4:20 pm

if something happens to a rim ill just get another one,20z arn't really that expensive anymore.

he might as well drive it instead of it sitting there all week, im lucky if i drive it once a week lately. ill have pics up this weekend though of the new ride height and white walls

by **CHEETR** » August 26th, 2009, 9:10 pm

dont think i mentioned either..

got a AU XR8 maf, and some 24lb injectors... a place called BLUE POWER racing developments that i have bought some bits from seems pretty good for tuning.. so i might be using them now to do the new computer and dyno run.

so will do that in like a month when i got some annual leave

by **LOW_XR** » August 26th, 2009, 9:16 pm

CHEETR wrote:dont think i mentioned either..

got a AU XR8 maf, and some 24lb injectors... a place called BLUE POWER racing developments that i have bought some bits from seems pretty good for tuning.. so i might be using them now to do the new computer and dyno run.

so will do that in like a month when i got some annual leave

blue power are the shiz man. the tune mine and they are nice guys too.

by **CHEETR** » August 26th, 2009, 9:18 pm

yer have heard extremely good things about them.. been to a few performance places now and they sound like they know what they are talking about.

ive used one of their distributors in franga, but getting the guys at campbellfield to do the tune, cant wait... from what i have heard dynomotive have really fucked my tune up, so i should see a fairly big gain with a new computer and injectors and maf

by **CHEETR** » August 29th, 2009, 9:10 am

they couldn't lower the car as the previous owner has put a dodgy camber kit in with packers, so any lower and its gona rip that away from the walls.

car goes back in 2weeks for camber kit and springs compressed.

white walls are on now on the 20z and has BLUE POWER racing developments written down the bottom of the doors.

looks pretty sweet.

by **nstg8a** » August 29th, 2009, 11:01 am

CHEETR wrote:they couldn't lower the car as the previous owner has put a dodgy camber kit in with packers, so any lower and its gona rip that away from the walls.

car goes back in 2weeks for camber kit and springs compressed.

white walls are on now on the 20z and has BLUE POWER racing developments written down the bottom of the doors.

looks pretty sweet.

pics?

by **CHEETR** » August 29th, 2009, 11:07 am

im working 8 till6 today and 2moro, but ill try and bring it to work instead of the company car and take some pics 2moro in the daylight

by **HUSSLN** » August 29th, 2009, 5:31 pm

CHEETR wrote:alot harder for them to pop out of position as with retaining all the coils theres alot more resistance holding them in place.

theres also less travel, meaning less rubbing

You dont retain ride quality as there bringing the top coils closer to each other to get the hieght down so its just as shit. ive seen a set of live axel commo springs compressed to about ultra low hieght i guess and the top 4 coils were just on top of each other, if you just cut them you retail some spring i reckon. Ive cut plenty and never had them jump out. Check aurora springs on ebay, theyll custom make the height you like its about 170 for rear and 220 for front, will do spring rate stiffness all that for ya to your liking.

by **HUSSLN** » August 29th, 2009, 5:33 pm

Who do you know at blue power to make them wanna advertise on your car?

by **CHEETR** » August 29th, 2009, 5:44 pm

no one.
a mate put them on to me who had his xr6t done there.
after the shit that dynomotive have caused to the car, im goin to blue power nto have a new computer done and ditch teh unichip and install my 24lb injectors and 75mm maf.

by **Dansedgli** » August 29th, 2009, 5:48 pm

What computer are they putting in?

Shouldnt you put stickers on after they do a good job?

by **CHEETR** » August 29th, 2009, 5:51 pm

its just a new chip.. using standard computer. its $880 for the new chip/remap and dyno tune plus install of the injectors and maf.

i'm never using unichip again either, fucks with the car hard, and everyone ive spoken to has bad thigns to say about them.

i dont give a **** about the stickers to be honest lol

by **HUSSLN** » August 29th, 2009, 6:22 pm

CHEETR wrote:no one.
a mate put them on to me who had his xr6t done there.
after the shit that dynomotive have caused to the car, im goin to blue power nto have a new computer done and ditch teh unichip and install my 24lb injectors and 75mm maf.

Yeah dynomotives a dickhead, i had a car done there years ago cos he is my mates uncle an he still fuct me over. I know theo ( tayo) at blue power been mates with him for probably 8 years, back when he had a vr calais lol an had no interest in cars.

by **CHEETR** » August 29th, 2009, 6:35 pm

ahh no shit ey,they seem pretty switched on with e series most performance places i went to to get quotes and an idea of what to do with this fucked up dynomotive tune either didnt want to touch it or wern't really interested and quoted me heaps so i didnt give them the job.

these blokes are the only ones (other than cve) that are keen to do it and know what theyre doing.

was gona get cve to do it, but not really keen on the j3 chip read up a bit on them. the ones blue power do seem pretty good.

the car went to dynomotive with the unichip already in, was just supposed to be a remap as it hadnt been done for like 3years since before i had the car, and it came back with less power and running worse and the **** didnt even give a ****.
the gas wouldnt run either and he tried telling me my gas sytem was old and shit, and it was only installed 12months ago.. found a couple pipes were loose and they hadnt put my airbox lid back on properly so that fixed that.

hanging out for blue power to get onto it, just gota get time to go get over there, so should be in a few weeks.

by **EFFalcon** » August 30th, 2009, 9:00 am

Unichip's are shit because the ECU tends to learn around them and the tune tends to go out after a while.
They were a good option ~5+ years ago when there wasnt much else around

by **Mr. CVE** » August 31st, 2009, 1:05 pm

CHEETR wrote:was gona get cve to do it, but not really keen on the j3 chip read up a bit on them. the ones blue power do seem pretty good.

The SCT chip is the same thing ! just costs more !

by **EFFalcon** » August 31st, 2009, 1:21 pm

fancier packaging and better marketing.

by **Dansedgli** » August 31st, 2009, 1:24 pm

but would bluepower tune a J3?

by **Mr. CVE** » August 31st, 2009, 4:09 pm

Dansedgli wrote:but would bluepower tune a J3?

Well J3 is just a name that seems to have been given to the TI chip that plugs in the J3 port.
Bluepower use a SCT chip that plugs in the J3 port, so both chips plug in the same port and have access the same way.
But to answer your question I do not believe that Bluepower tune the TI chips.

by **Rollin** » August 31st, 2009, 6:10 pm

ZOMG wtf. You are hurting my brain with this talk of ride height adjustment.

If you cut springs, they get shorter, they get stiffer, and they retain almost the same coil spacing when installed, reducing the chances of coil bind.

If you get them compressed, they get shorter, they get softer/stay the same rate and have two fifths of fk all coil spacing, meaning they can bind easily.

If you lower your car you should get stiffer springs, to compensate for the reduced travel, so the car doesn't bounce off the bump stops constantly (which results in a crap ride).

If you lower your car, you should get stiffer shocks, to compensate for the reduced travel and stiffer springs, so the car doesn't bounce off the bump stops constantly (which results in a crap ride).

People who have a shit ride in any car are the ones that don't match the springs to their shocks. Cut springs in themselves are not dangerous (or any more dangerous than compressed springs, which IMHO is a shithouse idea, heating spring steel FFS???) but cut springs (or any springs that are dramatically shorter than stock) with standard shocks are.

by **CHEETR** » September 1st, 2009, 8:39 am

relax farkin.

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