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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby Dansedgli » January 13th, 2014, 5:27 pm

orangeute338 wrote:
Sundeep wrote:So lemme get this straight - you're running a BA motor with AU ECU, wiring and coil pack? Didn't FTG Salvage try that a few years ago and fail?


yeah but they didnt know what they were doing, lol. im pretty sure they didnt cut the prongs off the cam so wouldnt have run right. its pretty common conversion now i did it about a year ago there is a thread i put on the ford forums step by step what needs to be done etc. i took the idea from the thread that FTG had about doing it and worked out how to make it work properly


Did you cut the prongs off the cam misk?

Good work. It would be interesting to see how it goes compared a stock BA on a dyno.
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 13th, 2014, 5:38 pm

yeah mate, its pretty easy to see why that works. the AU cam sensor only looks for a spike in volts at TDC once per engine revolution.
the standard BA cams has 4 prongs, one in TDC on either side of it at 15 degrees and not sure about the angle of the other, but it looks to be around 45 egrees.

it wont have the lower down torque of the BA due to the VCT not operating but overall it will be very close cause of the weight difference.

at the end of the day an engine is only as good as the tune in the ECU and you can have an ECU with all the features in the world but you can still get similar results with a good map in a lesser ECU.
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 13th, 2014, 6:49 pm

the vct doesnt change much at wot anyways its mostly for fuel econmany and emissions.

swapping a ba into a dead stock au with just a 3inch intake to the stock airbox was .5 second faster on the 1/4 so even stock for stock its a improvement for not much money and then the gains in the end are what will be more. think running au tb and ecu will lose a bit of power compared to a stock ba but few mods and twin cam would be making way more then a au eva would and still good fuel and drive like stock.

the extra prongs are for the vct and the sequential coils the au ecu only needs to know when the engine is at spark stroke on cyl 1. its all pretty straight forward when you think about it.
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

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00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 13th, 2014, 7:00 pm

good thing too the ba motor is lighter then the au motor, and the valve train is a lot lighter, hollow cams and single row chain so they want to rev easier.

they reckon at idle the cams are advanced 10deg to make it idle smooth. thats 10deg to crank angles tho not
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

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07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 13th, 2014, 7:02 pm

yeah im loving it, got a massive smile on my face every time i drive it.
the car feels so smooth and tight with the good gerarbox and is just a pleasure to drive.
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby turbo_will » January 13th, 2014, 7:40 pm

Damn man one day I check your thread its sohc then next week its got the barra in there. Fastest conversion ever, top job. Now boost that sucker :drinks2:
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 13th, 2014, 7:55 pm

how much does the xh weigh? be good to see what times it can run down the 1/4

heres the tables for the vct from stock ba na and bf turbo

the numbers are meant to be degs of crank, im not 100% sure on the numbers. what you guys reckon?

they say there is 60deg either way of adjustment(max in the ba table is +48). but the cams im pretty sure only have about 30-32degs of movement when i measured them. if the cam spins at half the speed that would make the max deg double what the cams would be so around 60deg max -30+30??

you can see in the table the vct doesnt adjust much at wot.
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and they reckon they sit at 10deg at idle, in the table its 20deg which would be 10degs on the cams
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

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07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 13th, 2014, 8:58 pm

haha yeah will, i don't **** around these days ;)
i learn everything and then some of what i need to know before i do shit and then do it as quick but properly as possible

i love how nice is it to drive, its not easy to explain lol.

josh do you have the timing tables?
would be good to know what for did from factory so i can build on that. not too sure how to approach the timing map...
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 13th, 2014, 8:59 pm

thanks for all the kind words though guys. really appreciate it
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i'll be keen to bring the car out to any cruises etc so i'd be more than happy to show people and answer any questions etc.
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby needfordspeed » January 13th, 2014, 9:49 pm

Done real well man, good stuff!
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 13th, 2014, 10:20 pm

funny you should say i kept forgetting to have a look at the differences, just looking now its surprising to see au runs more timing then ba na auto. spark borderline knock is the table the other one spark MBT is max that it can be with adding timing with multipliers but on a normal 30odd deg day will be pretty much the Borderline knock figures

heres the timing maps, there is iat and afr multipliers that affect it and a lot of other things but gives you the general idea.

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and bf na 6spd for comparasion
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

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07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby Parfrey » January 13th, 2014, 11:18 pm

I thought you were doing well to have rego... :grin:

Good job with the engine, keen to see where you go with it. Makes for an easier conversion into another car too (ie a 4x4 ;) )
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 13th, 2014, 11:52 pm

man i'm keen to put a barra into anything with wheels now haha. seriously such an easy conversion and for $300 in total (including paying someone to weld the sump) you can't beat it for what you get in return.

if i had an EF i'd hold off buying extractors and neons for the foot wells and spend th money on a barra motor :D

thanks for that info josh. what i would really like to do is set the timing to standard (with the fuel maps trimmed to suit the motor) and just see what its like and then add timing from there.

at the moment i'm running the spark map i was using with the 1521a cam so i'm not sure it's suited that well to the engine.

i did some data logging tonight so i'm just about to adjust the tune. its running in 9-10:1 at wot so theres improvements to be made for sure!
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 14th, 2014, 6:36 am

Just put a stock au map in, that would be the best tune for it. Timing is simliar to bf tune well more timing even and afr should be in the 12s with the stock map so perfect
current rides
06 bf typhoon zf 400hp on 12psi - 13.0 @ 110 bulk wheelspin
07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

previous rides
07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 14th, 2014, 6:56 am

Just put a stock au map in, that would be the best tune for it. Timing is simliar to bf tune well more timing even and afr should be in the 12s with the stock map so perfect
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06 bf typhoon zf 400hp on 12psi - 13.0 @ 110 bulk wheelspin
07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

previous rides
07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 14th, 2014, 7:15 am

i'm getting afrs around 9-10:1 with a standard AU map man lol and thats with AU injectors.
idles at 22inHG at 9:1
i did a datalog run last night so will adjust the tune soon and have another crack at it.
at the moment it goes harder at 3/4 throttle than at full throttle, but it feels so much stronger than the previous motor.

i'm gonna be the poster boy for this mod lol
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 14th, 2014, 12:00 pm

i thought u said you had a map in there to suit a big cam:S

what fuel pressure reg are you running theres no reason it should run that rich if anything it should be leaner in the top end if the barra was to flow a bit better.

whats the plugs and coil pack like are they new? that can cause a rich mixture also.
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

previous rides
07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 14th, 2014, 12:08 pm

nah i put in a standard AU map, **** trying it with the map for the big cam lol.
a friend explained it will run rich because its more efficient.
i'm using standard BA reg and AU injectors.
its idling at 22-24inHG so no vac leak or anything.
plugs are bit old but i cleaned them up, i'll replace the plugs and leads on friday. coil pack isn't new but i've got a couple, they're all fine.
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby galapogos01 » January 14th, 2014, 12:26 pm

Make sure it's a NA rego and not turbo ?

9:1 is extremely rich! ie. Misfiring and blowing smoke and not running rich! Your wideband calibrated correctly?
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 14th, 2014, 1:01 pm

tell your friend hes dreaming, running rich from using more fuel? lol like saying you will run rich when you run more boost

in open loop the ecu only knows a few things. there is no airflow meter so it doesnt actually know how much air is going in, it just knows what should be going in from the maps. so with a dead stock au motor it would say 5000rpm 0vac iat 35deg coolant temp blab blab. you need 70% duty cycle so if you have 80% efficiently you might get 12.5afr then add your ba motor the ecu still only knows the same data thats given to it but not you are burning the fuel better since you have higher comp and better airflow. so now your 90% efficent and your afr will be leaner.

9s is very rich, when i tried the ba turbo fpr with the au ecu the afr wasnt even that rich.

whats the afr when you have the 02 sensor disconnected while ilding?
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

previous rides
07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 14th, 2014, 3:56 pm

that data is all with the 02 sensor disconnected from the ECU.
my wideband is callibrated yes. i did it before putting it in the XH. its running rich, you can smell it and it isn't burning well when it is that rich.

can't explain to you why its running that rich, i've always had a problem with the AU maps running rich.
don't really care anyway cause i'm tuning around it, so its all good...
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby krisisdog » January 14th, 2014, 4:56 pm

Just change the injector slope to a few lb/hr less?
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 14th, 2014, 5:04 pm

you want the injector slop higher not lower and i set it to 20 and was still very rich so then i started changing the VE table.
it is what it is!
i'll see if its any different after new plugs and leads and i'll get another coil pack maybe.
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soon - .595" lift cam, GT4202, forged AU engine and built head, ems stinger 4424 ecu, powerglide with 5500 high stall etc - next, bellhousing

XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 14th, 2014, 6:47 pm

whats the afr at idle?

i have 60lb injectors in my au and i have the injector slope at about 35 i think and it runs 15afr without the o2 sensor hooked up(so open loop the whole time). i would leave the ve table and just adjust the injector slope till you see around 14-15afr at idle without the 02 sensor plugged in. then see what the afr is like at wot.

but change the plugs first and check the fuel pressure also if you can might be a blockage somewhere on the return line, my mate put a high flow pump on and even with the return pulled off so straight out of the fuel pressure reg into a bucket it would only run min 60psi on a stock au reg, having the ba fuel rail and reg shouldnt be a problem tho but something to check if you can, my mate had bad plugs in the barra au and it was running in the 9s on nos but we found the plugs were all worn and the gap was about 3mm. causing it to be so rich because just wasnt burning the fuel but that was at wot
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

previous rides
07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby krisisdog » January 14th, 2014, 6:54 pm

Yeah same difference, knew what I meant :p
I'd change it to 24.
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 14th, 2014, 9:25 pm

the numebrs o the VE table are over 80 standard, i can afford to change them lol.
i only see a point in changing injector slope once its out of fuel in the table.

the entire table would be over 15 if i had a standard map idling at 15:1 without changing the VE table. they run rich...
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XH ute daily - DOHC BA XR6 engine, T5, AU3 ECU with TI J3 chip, ported BBM, 3" stainless intake - 12" sub, tub liner and hard lid - mass skids and epic tyre carrying capabilities :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby krisisdog » January 15th, 2014, 8:11 am

Runs at 9-10:1 at wot and idle, and I'll assume through the rest of it as well.
Quick fix would be change yeh inj slope or .7x the whole ve table?
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 15th, 2014, 12:24 pm

what is the afr at idle with the stock map? without the 02 sensor hooked up?
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby turbo_will » January 15th, 2014, 5:33 pm

Sounds a bit weird man ive seen some odd shit with afr widebands try ignoring it and tuning till its running happiest. 9s should just break down into a rich stumble spark issues and bulk black smoke. Id try sort idle first and see what wideband reckons from there. The barra motors prob don't need much timing as they are a more efficient design. If your logging rpm with logworks you can compare rpm traces in a set gear to get a rough idea how things are improving.
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 15th, 2014, 6:58 pm

lol i dont get why this is so bizarre?
all the signs that point an engine running rich are there, i have it running in the 12s now at wot and between 13-14:1 everywhere else
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby turbo_will » January 15th, 2014, 7:13 pm

good stuff runs heaps better then? How much did you have to remove?
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby galapogos01 » January 15th, 2014, 7:21 pm

The lower timing in the newer motors will be for emissions. Not necessarily because they don't want it :)
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 15th, 2014, 8:26 pm

so you don't know what the afr was at idle with the stock map? if you arent getting stoich in closed loop then you obviously have a problem and saying you are just tuning around its a fix. have you wired the ecu in properly? how is the battery is it old? low voltage can give slopy DC and make it rich.

au runs more timing then the bf na i would say its because the au has a lot less compression.

I highly doubt emissions has anything to do with WOT. if that was the case then your saying a na with 180kw has the same emissions as a turbo with 240kw? at wot
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00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 15th, 2014, 8:39 pm

why would i have a problem if a standard map isn't going into stoich on an engine its not designed for?
you seem to know a bit about BA+ but how many different standard maps and ECUs have you actually tunes from an e-series?
they all run rich standard.

its doing my head in to think you guys expect it to run perfect out of the box with no tuning...

will i havent had a chance to drive it much, i'm broke and i'ts basically running on fumes so have to wait til tomorrow before i can tune more or drive it.
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 15th, 2014, 10:31 pm

misk wrote:why would i have a problem if a standard map isn't going into stoich on an engine its not designed for?


well do you understand how open and closed loop works?
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07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
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07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 15th, 2014, 11:30 pm

i do, what i'm saying is even in standard form i've never seen a falcon achieve 14.7:1 when cruising.
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby orangeute338 » January 16th, 2014, 8:01 am

misk wrote:i do, what i'm saying is even in standard form i've never seen a falcon achieve 14.7:1 when cruising.


i find that hard to believe if the car is working properly and has no problems. the au i had it ran stoich in closed loop
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06 bf typhoon zf 400hp on 12psi - 13.0 @ 110 bulk wheelspin
07 suzuki grand vitara 5spd manual - 18.5 @ 72mph stock - 15.4 @ 90mph on 12psi
00 ford fairmont ghia gt42 - ???

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07 ford falcon xr6 turbo 6spd manual ute - 12.4 @118mph
00 ford falcon forte with na barra conversion + nos - 12.3 @110
06 kawasaki zx6r - 10.6 @ 132
86 toyota soarer gz20 1jzgtte conversion - 13.9 @ 103mph
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby NUT347 » January 16th, 2014, 12:40 pm

Every falcon I've put a wideband has never cruised at 14.7.

Always around low 14s. Why do you think fuel economy improves after a custom tune on most cars?
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby misk » January 16th, 2014, 5:26 pm

the only thing that could be wrong is the ECU not getting the 02 feed and really, when tuning, it shouldn't be connected anyway.
regardless, as long as there isn't a vacuum leak, i don't see the problem in tuning around whatever issue there is.
i need to drive the car so i may as well make sure it runs right.

like i said, new plugs and leads and maybe coil tomorrow and i'll see if that makes a difference, i doubt it will be massive though.
apart from a few lean spots the car is running good, not powerful in the 40 degree heat but its smooth.

can only do so much at one time so i'll just keep touching up the tune.
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Re: XH ute - barra swap finished!

Postby ed40 » January 16th, 2014, 5:32 pm

good job on the install!
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