B-Series vs. E-Series

[edfairmont4.0]

Threadmine.

E series Vs B Series , well EA-ED shouldnt be in the same category as EF-EL, EA-ED drive like buckets compared to EF-ELs so much smoother and steady you can feel they have a much more rigid chassis, Better steering geometry. BA-BF's Don't like the styling... Interiors are cheap, Door Handle moulds fall off, They creek and front ends get clunky etc. Although A BF MKII Fairmont Ghia is a Gorgeous looking car. I drive an EF Fairmont now and love it. But when its got too much mileage on it, F series is where its at. FG G6E mmmmmmmmmmmmm Horn.

[apoc]

Its all about personal preference. I like the BA-FGs alot, but every farmer and their mum has one around here. Not many EA-EDs done nicely.
I just wanted something different, that would stand out!

[josh_ef]

if i could afford a bf ghia v8 i would be in one in an instant

apprenteship wages dont allow that so i drive a eb ghia, considering there cheaper then xd ghias these days

[rhys]

Threadmine.

E series Vs B Series , well EA-ED shouldnt be in the same category as EF-EL, EA-ED drive like buckets compared to EF-ELs so much smoother and steady you can feel they have a much more rigid chassis, Better steering geometry. BA-BF's Don't like the styling... Interiors are cheap, Door Handle moulds fall off, They creek and front ends get clunky etc. Although A BF MKII Fairmont Ghia is a Gorgeous looking car. I drive an EF Fairmont now and love it. But when its got too much mileage on it, F series is where its at. FG G6E mmmmmmmmmmmmm Horn.

Unfortunately carsales.com disagrees with ef's having good steering.

'There can be no doubt that many drivers scared themselves in EF Falcons. The EF was developed by a committee. Indeed, the front and rear suspension systems felt as if they were designed for different cars.

Great emphasis was given to refinement and this meant softer bushings were used in the front suspension to tune out as much noise and harshness as possible. Much of the work that had gone into making the EB and ED such accurate and predictable handling cars was lost in the pursuit of silence.

The EF turned into a corner quite well and then you felt as if you had to unwind a little lock as the roll oversteer kicked in; any correlation between the front suspension and the rear was coincidental.

The XRs were better but still not right. The cheapest versions on lesser tyres were nasty. In inexpert hands and especially on a wet road, the EF could quite easily swap ends. Many did.'

[edfairmont4.0]

Ive read it before, Still handles far better then any EA-ED ive ever driven, Certainly doesn't understeer any easier then I have noticed.

[rhys]

are the bushes stock? seems like the poor feeling was attributed to the soft bushes. Maybe they even hardened over time.

[edfairmont4.0]

I couldnt tell you but i do no that its got nolathane Radius rod bushes, and sway bar bushes

[Rollin]

Threadmine.

E series Vs B Series , well EA-ED shouldnt be in the same category as EF-EL, EA-ED drive like buckets compared to EF-ELs so much smoother and steady you can feel they have a much more rigid chassis, Better steering geometry. BA-BF's Don't like the styling... Interiors are cheap, Door Handle moulds fall off, They creek and front ends get clunky etc. Although A BF MKII Fairmont Ghia is a Gorgeous looking car. I drive an EF Fairmont now and love it. But when its got too much mileage on it, F series is where its at. FG G6E mmmmmmmmmmmmm Horn.

Why would you bother digging up this thread? What a fucking idiotic thing to do. You've already started/joined in or continued arguments in other threads, what do you hope to achieve?

EA-ED drive like shit do they? Maybe if you owned one with a set of shocks that weren't around when muhammad was in nappies and bushes that had been changed at some stage since the invention of the wheel you'd think differently. It's pretty easy to rag on cars that are 250+ thousand km old - I can't wait to see what your precious all-conquering shiny new cars look and drive like with a quarter of a million km under their belt.

Any car that has been treated like sh1t will drive like sh1t, it's not a hard thing to understand.

Buy what you want, be happy with it and SHUT THE FU(K UP ABOUT IT FOR FUCKS SAKE!

[NUT347]

Bahahahahahahaha go off rollin!!!

[Sunboost]

The EF turned into a corner quite well and then you felt as if you had to unwind a little lock as the roll oversteer kicked in; any correlation between the front suspension and the rear was coincidental.

The XRs were better but still not right. The cheapest versions on lesser tyres were nasty. In inexpert hands and especially on a wet road, the EF could quite easily swap ends. Many did.'

LOL!! Perfect description of the EF / EL. Soooo many a time I've driven EF's and EL's that have spun out or kicked out for no reason lol.

And Rollin man. You are obsessed with your car. Full on.

Since Muhammad was in nappies? Invention of the wheel?

[edfairmont4.0]

LOL.

Why did I bring it up, Bordom, STFU , No without arguement, what a boring forum. Only someone who is drunk could actually say an ED drives Nicer then an EF PERIOD.

[Sunboost]

LOL.

Why did I bring it up, Bordom, STFU , No without arguement, what a boring forum. Only someone who is drunk could actually say an ED drives Nicer then an EF PERIOD.

Even if it did drive nicer, I'd prob take the EF because I'd be looking at a dash that was designed by CAD rather than with pencils, t squares and protractors.

[edfairmont4.0]

yeah that is true, EA-ED have aged woefully, Look like something from the 80's EF/ELs still look quite modern. Although I do have a soft spot for the EB-ED, seeing as I have owned 5 of them. The EA-ED have a more tough look, EF/EL more luxury. , The extra refinement and features of the later models ef/el is alot. There's no doubt there a better car, They are newer.

[xrghiawagon]

Threadmine.

E series Vs B Series , well EA-ED shouldnt be in the same category as EF-EL, EA-ED drive like buckets compared to EF-ELs so much smoother and steady you can feel they have a much more rigid chassis, Better steering geometry. BA-BF's Don't like the styling... Interiors are cheap, Door Handle moulds fall off, They creek and front ends get clunky etc. Although A BF MKII Fairmont Ghia is a Gorgeous looking car. I drive an EF Fairmont now and love it. But when its got too much mileage on it, F series is where its at. FG G6E mmmmmmmmmmmmm Horn.

Unfortunately carsales.com disagrees with ef's having good steering.

'There can be no doubt that many drivers scared themselves in EF Falcons. The EF was developed by a committee. Indeed, the front and rear suspension systems felt as if they were designed for different cars.

Great emphasis was given to refinement and this meant softer bushings were used in the front suspension to tune out as much noise and harshness as possible. Much of the work that had gone into making the EB and ED such accurate and predictable handling cars was lost in the pursuit of silence.

The EF turned into a corner quite well and then you felt as if you had to unwind a little lock as the roll oversteer kicked in; any correlation between the front suspension and the rear was coincidental.

The XRs were better but still not right. The cheapest versions on lesser tyres were nasty. In inexpert hands and especially on a wet road, the EF could quite easily swap ends. Many did.'

Thats why i like EF2 Wagons, all the steering and "rollover" feel was gone, still had the nice front end (read EL) and can be redlined easily. I only found out how well the wagon can be redlined tonight when i was just putting it away, revved strong and hard (engine was warm during this exercise)

So i can say that out of B-Series and E-series, i will choose a CLASSIC, not plastic, EF2 Wagon

Ohh yeah, thats another thing that i just remembered, the B-series and FG's are all plastic, unlike the E-series (Excluding EL as i hate it full stop lol)

[nstg8a]

Ohh yeah, thats another thing that i just remembered, the B-series and FG's are all plastic, unlike the E-series (Excluding EL as i hate it full stop lol)

just as much plastic in a ef as in a ba

[67rce]

LOL.

Why did I bring it up, Bordom, STFU , No without arguement, what a boring forum. Only someone who is drunk could actually say an ED drives Nicer then an EF PERIOD.

Even if it did drive nicer, I'd prob take the EF because I'd be looking at a dash that was designed by CAD rather than with pencils, t squares and protractors.

I can comment on the ED vs EF. I had an ED XR6 that was a fukking brilliant car. I also had an EF Mont, and that was the worst car I've ever driven! Also, IMHO I'd rather a dash that was designed with CAD, pencils etc than the prior dash having been heated to a point where it seems to flow into an EF/L Dash!

[nstg8a]

i have to admit, my ef ghia has some 'interesting' handling traits... im hoping springs and shocks and stuff will help

[Bipolar]

I also had an EF Mont, and that was the worst car I've ever driven!

How many cars have you driven? Because I've driven more than I can remember but I can tell you without thinking too hard that an EF is definitely not down the bottom of the list.

[Sunboost]

I've had a few EF's and EL's, maybe 20 Each of them had aged differently - depending on the level of care the owners previous to me had put in to the servicing and maintaining of them.

EA-ED's on the other hand, didn't really matter how good or bad they'd been serviced, they were pretty much all the same EA's are pretty chat, EB2 onwards were WAYYYY better than EA. Little improvements like the intake snorkel and rubber duct revisions made the engine quieter and smoother, along with things like fatter tie rods, wider rear trailing arm bushes, foam filled pillars - the list goes on.

[[Sterling]]

<3 my B-Series.

[Sunboost]

<3 my B-Series.

I forgot to mention that the difference from BA to BF is kind of like the difference between EA and EB2

[suspect]

I will say that with my familys Exerience with Falcons, The BA is the worst one we have had. We own a smallish taxi companey with 10 Falcons. 8 AUs and 2 BAs currently.
Being taxis. We only have Base models. no XRs or Monts. Mom misses being able to use the old EF/ELs that she had. they were cheaper to buy, fix and run. Now the AU has taken that job. the first BA was $8,500 and so far its cost about $3,500 in repairs.

The AUs have greater cost/km then the BA. so moms Avoiding using Ba's until the AUs are no longer allowed as taxis.

[rhys]

Mom still misses .... so moms Avoiding ....

Please Please Please tell me you learnt English somewhere other than Australia or any other commonwealth country.

Then I can forgive you for your spelling.

But on topic, Ive heard that the ba taxis are having trouble with their diffs?

[krisisdog]

BA taxi I was in last night had the arm rests fall off lol.

[suspect]

Mom still misses .... so moms Avoiding ....

Please Please Please tell me you learnt English somewhere other than Australia or any other commonwealth country.

Then I can forgive you for your spelling.

But on topic, Ive heard that the ba taxis are having trouble with their diffs?

Funny ya mention that. Im dutch.

and we got BA wagons so the seem to not get diff problems of the sedans.

[rhys]

ah ok well i can forgive ya then :p

but from now on:

Mum, colour, recognise, realise

lol just kiddin around man

I didnt realise the wagons didnt have the diff problems.

[Kaddis]

Go the F series!

[suspect]

haha no worries.

and Im not to sure if the wagons diff's are the same as the AU wagon. but I got a mate who has blown 3 diffs in his BA sedan since he got it 3 years ago.

The wagons we have seem to do Heaters, transmissions, brakes, headlight bulbes and the handbrakes. They also have a really annoying low rpm power steering growl and shutter.

[rhys]

im noticing a lack of low rpm power in my au at the moment too. Im thinking I may be losing compression through a head gasket so ill do a test tomorrow to find out. Although I have never done one before so I dont know if you can even lose enough compression to be noticeable in performance.

[67rce]

I also had an EF Mont, and that was the worst car I've ever driven!

How many cars have you driven? Because I've driven more than I can remember but I can tell you without thinking too hard that an EF is definitely not down the bottom of the list.

Todd, I've driven quite a few cars, I was driving 6-7 cars a day at one stage. Nothing I have driven comes anywhere near the CLS500 I drove with my old job though.

[Rollin]

The EF turned into a corner quite well and then you felt as if you had to unwind a little lock as the roll oversteer kicked in; any correlation between the front suspension and the rear was coincidental.

The XRs were better but still not right. The cheapest versions on lesser tyres were nasty. In inexpert hands and especially on a wet road, the EF could quite easily swap ends. Many did.'

LOL!! Perfect description of the EF / EL. Soooo many a time I've driven EF's and EL's that have spun out or kicked out for no reason lol.

And Rollin man. You are obsessed with your car. Full on.

Since Muhammad was in nappies? Invention of the wheel?

The point I was making, which you entirely missed, was that E-series cars are now OLD. People shit on them for driving like crap but they don't seem to take into account the fact they are now 15-20 years old and most of them have had extremely minimal maintenance once they got out of warranty. With new bushes, a matched spring/shock set and a proper wheel alignment (just as you'd expect to do on any older model car) the difference is chalk and cheese.

At no point did I talk about my car at all.

You should be happy I referenced muhammad too - in doing so I admitted his existence

[89.SVO]

it's all about personal preference. if driven EF/L's and i feel you sit up too high thus making it uncomfortable.

[Commando]

Thats why i like EF2 Wagons, all the steering and "rollover" feel was gone

Boy do I feel like an idiot for buying an EF1 wagon, sooooo should've gone the EF2.

I only found out how well the wagon can be redlined tonight when i was just putting it away, revved strong and hard (engine was warm during this exercise)

You're 14, right?

So i can say that out of B-Series and E-series, i will choose a CLASSIC, not plastic, EF2 Wagon

Ohh yeah, thats another thing that i just remembered, the B-series and FG's are all plastic, unlike the E-series (Excluding EL as i hate it full stop lol)

Yep, definitely 14. Dude, XDs are plastic.

[edfairmont4.0]

Lol yes EF's are just as plastic as B series. Albeit better quality plastic. - Still plastic.

[EFFalcon]

EF with AU suspension - WIN

[Sunboost]

The EF turned into a corner quite well and then you felt as if you had to unwind a little lock as the roll oversteer kicked in; any correlation between the front suspension and the rear was coincidental.

The XRs were better but still not right. The cheapest versions on lesser tyres were nasty. In inexpert hands and especially on a wet road, the EF could quite easily swap ends. Many did.'

LOL!! Perfect description of the EF / EL. Soooo many a time I've driven EF's and EL's that have spun out or kicked out for no reason lol.

And Rollin man. You are obsessed with your car. Full on.

Since Muhammad was in nappies? Invention of the wheel?

The point I was making, which you entirely missed, was that E-series cars are now OLD. People shit on them for driving like crap but they don't seem to take into account the fact they are now 15-20 years old and most of them have had extremely minimal maintenance once they got out of warranty. With new bushes, a matched spring/shock set and a proper wheel alignment (just as you'd expect to do on any older model car) the difference is chalk and cheese.

At no point did I talk about my car at all.

You should be happy I referenced muhammad too - in doing so I admitted his existence

I owned a pretty well kept ED once. Two fanatic owners, 180,000km - anything that even half looked fucked was replaced. Michelin tyres and everything! It was hardly an awe inspiring drive.

So Gill and I turbo'd it - then it shit the head gasket and started leaking lots of oil like an E-Series should

Admittedly though, standard ED's have a much more solid feel up the front than a stock height EF/EL, but for some reason EF/EL V8's are better again. Must be the weight up the front I guess.

B-Series are fucking MILES ahead and don't even deserve the comparing.

I should know. I've only owned and driven around 50,000 of each.

I've done about 30,000km in B-Series now. Only thing that's gone wrong is a turbo stud and nut falling out in one of them, but Rips has blown an auto and a diff cover.

[LOW_XR]

this thread will go in for ever if its not locked.

i dont think you can compare the 2. as said e series (some eseries ) are old, b series are new.

people will always love there ea's or that and cant/wont see that b series are nice cars.

personally id rather spend a bit more and have a ba xr6t pushing 300+ rwkw , heater that works, drives nice, good headlights ect ect than spending big money on a turbo eseries and be worried about always getting pulled over.

end of the day this wil never ever ever get to an end. always some kunt with an opinion

[Rollin]

end of the day this wil never ever ever get to an end. always some kunt with an opinion

And if that opinion disagrees with mine it's wrong

[Sunboost]

end of the day this wil never ever ever get to an end. always some kunt with an opinion

And if that opinion disagrees with mine it's wrong

Thing is there's people here who actually think that EA-ED's are BETTER to have than a B-Series. Like they'll actually say things that are absurd in order to attempt to prove a point. I am fond of both, but I prefer the B-Series for a LOT of reason's - mainly practicality.

I'd still do up an EA-ED, but probably wont for a long time because you need a lot of money to make them something special and not just another hack.

[bentls]

I owned a pretty well kept ED once. Two fanatic owners, 180,000km - anything that even half looked fucked was replaced. Michelin tyres and everything! It was hardly an awe inspiring drive.

So Gill and I turbo'd it - then it shit the head gasket and started leaking lots of oil like an E-Series should

Admittedly though, standard ED's have a much more solid feel up the front than a stock height EF/EL, but for some reason EF/EL V8's are better again. Must be the weight up the front I guess.

B-Series are fucking MILES ahead and don't even deserve the comparing.

I should know. I've only owned and driven around 50,000 of each.

I've done about 30,000km in B-Series now. Only thing that's gone wrong is a turbo stud and nut falling out in one of them, but Rips has blown an auto and a diff cover.

2 years and 50,000km on my ba, only thing i ever had to replace was a rhf wheel bearing... and just for the sake of it said my diff was whining before my warranty ran out everything else was just changed cos i wanted to change it...
kesters ba about 1 year and 70,000km 1 oil change in that time, still hasnt actually broken anything other than 2 swaybar mounts and needs diff bushes replacing and an auto which shit itself at about 160,000km after donuts on mt donna
in other words +1 to ba's
if i could find a nice condition XT for 6k or under with less than 130ish k's id buy another as they make very comfy dailys.... (just add SL/SSL and swaybars to chop out that nice mint XT body roll and dipping under braking etc etc)