BA XR6 Turbo values after Orion?

by **AaronEF8** » May 19th, 2008, 7:19 pm

ab_futura wrote:By time I've paid for it, it will have depreciated to a give away price and I'll be back where I started.

Yep, summed it up perfectly

by **Sunboost** » May 19th, 2008, 7:32 pm

Wow he summed it up twice!

by **FRDXR6** » May 19th, 2008, 7:43 pm

ab_futura wrote: I'm looking for as many pros and cons to compare buying and xr6t or building my own el weapon, and I want to make an educated decision. Arrrrggggghhhhhhh. I'm going nuts over here.

An educated decision would have you not taking out a loan to buy/fund a depreciating assest at all!

Either way you will lose cash, even more so if you dropped $20k into the EL i would think....

by **Jet** » May 19th, 2008, 9:52 pm

Sundeep wrote:Get the XR6T...

26K is about $5k more than you need for a good BA example, premo sound and leather can be had easy. Only options I'd want are the premo sound, leather is cold and ford leather is meh, sunroof's shoot the value up way too much. You could sell your EL too, so there's a bit more off your overdone loan..

FRDXR6 wrote: Either way you will lose cash, even more so if you dropped $20k into the EL i would think....

What you guys are saying makes a lot of sense, the xr6T seems to be the better option the more I think about it.

I had a day off today so I went test driving. As far as for dealershps go, I think I drove the only 2 manuals in Brisbane. The first was a 6 speed bf and I'm sure it at least had an exhaust but the dealer didn't know a lot about it. It was well out of my price rang but DAMN!!! Even cruising in 4th I think if i farted on the accelerator I waould be going to jail. The second was a 2004 5speed with premium sound which I could have got for $24000. I think I would need to spend more time in it because something about it just didn't feel right, but I couldn't work out what. It was an earlier model so I didn't expect it to have the same refinement, but it seemed like the turbo needed more encouragement to get moving, it just wasn't as 'eager'. That's said though, it wasn't my car so I was treating it with reasonable respect, and for $24k I think the car I'd get for the money is pretty good value. It's weird how hard it is to get compforable in a new car after driving on older one for the last 3 years. I guess that's how the granparents feel when we throw their favourite 30 year couch in the bin.

To make my day even more interesting, before driving the bf i stopped in at macca's for some food, and a bloke came up and asked me about my el. I don't even have a sign on it so I told him I was looking at options and thinking about selling. I took him for a drive and he really liked it; He took my number so I'll see what happens. I hadn't really though about it but had $6.5k in mind for it which he thought was a fair thing. The finance guy at the dealership said that would get me a good deposit and make repayments more affordable. I'm not rushing into anything because I think there is an even better deal to be had if I wait till after tax and the new xr6 turbo does on sale, xr6t is definately looking likea viable option though.

by **Parfrey** » May 19th, 2008, 10:45 pm

mate i'd probably steer clear of a 5sp manual xr6t... the 5sp can't hold as much power and isn't as good as the 6sp. and i think it would be alot harder to sell later on. for 24grand it would want to have every extra and low k's aswell. sorry just trying to help

by **Jet** » May 19th, 2008, 11:16 pm

Parfrey wrote:mate i'd probably steer clear of a 5sp manual xr6t... the 5sp can't hold as much power and isn't as good as the 6sp. and i think it would be alot harder to sell later on. for 24grand it would want to have every extra and low k's aswell. sorry just trying to help

Cheers mate, I asked about 3 different dealers about the the strenght and reliability of the t5 but they couldn't tell me anything. I was also asking if there was a point where they upgraded the valve springs and got even less information. If anything I thought I was giving them an opportunity to upsell, I was just researching so I didn't care if they tried to put the hard sell on me but they didn't even try. I thought with the rarity of manuals somebody might try and talk me into test driving an auto, If I was trying to sell cars, I certainly would. The next big question is dealer or private sale and I'm not sure where to start with that one....

by **Malakai** » May 20th, 2008, 8:03 am

As I think I mentioned above there are BA MKII XR6T 6 speed manuals going for as low as 23k with premium sound by private sale here in Brisbane. Obviously it's a bit harder to arrange a test drive so I see where you're coming from by going to dealerships.

I haven't driven a BA sedan but I have driven an XR6T Magnet Ute and I found the headroom was pretty bad and it seemed like the roof line where it met the windscreen was obstructing my view a bit. I tried to adjust everything I could with the seat and it made no difference. I'm only 178cm. Does anyone else find the same thing? Is it just the utes? I need to take some time to go for a few test drives also I think...

by **Steady** » May 20th, 2008, 8:13 am

Nah the seats sit too high in all BA-BFs, you can't lower them enough.
Supposedly they fixed it in FG, but I haven't gone for a test drive yet.

I'm only a short cnt and even I would like mine a tad lower.

by **Sunboost** » May 20th, 2008, 9:00 am

Steady the MARTYR! wrote:Nah the seats sit too high in all BA-BFs, you can't lower them enough.
Supposedly they fixed it in FG, but I haven't gone for a test drive yet.

I'm only a short cnt and even I would like mine a tad lower.

Get some EA SVO seats up ya. Then you can feel like a race car driver. Those seats FTMFW.

by **Malakai** » May 20th, 2008, 4:14 pm

Sundeep wrote:Get some EA SVO seats up ya. Then you can feel like a race car driver. Those seats FTMFW.

If Melbourne was closer to Brisbane I would have a pair now.

by **EFFalcon** » May 20th, 2008, 4:18 pm

Steady the MARTYR! wrote:Nah the seats sit too high in all BA-BFs, you can't lower them enough.
Supposedly they fixed it in FG, but I haven't gone for a test drive yet.

I'm only a short cnt and even I would like mine a tad lower.

how do you find the seats in Max's calais?
i found them too low

by **Steady** » May 20th, 2008, 4:31 pm

EFFalcon wrote:
Steady the MARTYR! wrote:Nah the seats sit too high in all BA-BFs, you can't lower them enough.
Supposedly they fixed it in FG, but I haven't gone for a test drive yet.

I'm only a short cnt and even I would like mine a tad lower.

how do you find the seats in Max's calais?
i found them too low

yeah they are pretty damn low, I think Max has them at the lowest point but?
I haven't tried to move it up, I hate it when cnts move my seat in weird ways when they drive my car.
If you look closely at any pictures or videos of me driving his car, you can see that my head only just comes above the window level, I look about 8 driving it :lol:

by **pHaT`eL** » May 20th, 2008, 4:33 pm

I dont mind the seats in the BA/BF, and Im what I think is an average height. Shifter is within reach, can rest my elbow on the console n bang the gears back. Quite comfortable for me to drive, makes the EL feel sloppy.

Only thing I dont like is i cant rest my right arm on the window ledge as its too high

by **EFFalcon** » May 20th, 2008, 4:35 pm

Steady the MARTYR! wrote:yeah they are pretty damn low, I think Max has them at the lowest point but?
I haven't tried to move it up, I hate it when cnts move my seat in weird ways when they drive my car.
If you look closely at any pictures or videos of me driving his car, you can see that my head only just comes above the window level, I look about 8 driving it

woulnd't suprise me... max being the siknt that he is would need the lean.
but yes... even me and my immence height felt too low in the seat

by **AaronEF8** » May 20th, 2008, 6:41 pm

Whenever I hop into a BA, my instinct is to drop the rear of the seat base as low as possible, tilt the front right up and get the seat back not far off right angle to the base. Commodore seats have always been much lower than Falcons too, they gradually got lower until you get to the VE which you can't even see out of.

BA's with sunroofs suck more, especially with a helmet on. I drove one at Heef-kit once, my head was tilted to the side and wedged against the sunroof glass, feck it was uncomfortable.

by **EB_GLI92** » May 20th, 2008, 10:27 pm

i like the falcons seat being higher feels much better in my opinon

by **Sunboost** » December 16th, 2008, 11:15 am

Car value predition sikunt right here.

Sundeep in December 2007 wrote:Might drop to about $15k for povs by the end of next year going by the steady drop this year.

Yep, you can easily get yourself a ~120kmish BA XR6T WITH OPTIONS for around $15k. There are about 3 or 4 available at the moment, almost all have at least 1 option. Mainly leather and premo sound, sunroofs are hard to come by unless you wanna pay closer to 20k. I have seen some as low as $14k..

I'm thinking this time next year they'll be $10k and they'll sit at that for a while.

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 11:22 am

Well you can get a Provo BA/BF XT Falcon for 5g at the auctions atm. Depending on KM. Average price for a BF MK2 Wagon with 80,000 is around 8500. BF XR6Ts are walking out of there for 15k as well.

Did anyone go to the new car public auction they had on 2 weeks ago?

by **Malakai** » December 16th, 2008, 11:27 am

Oh boy! All the people who bought new turbo Falcons give yourself an uppercut.

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 12:07 pm

FG XR6 Turbo Manuals, povo spec, were walking out of the auctions for about 20k, with a few more features about 25k (These are all as is price, no stamp duty etc)

FG XTs were walking out of there for around 13k

Commodore equivalent were doing the same.

The sister picked up a G6ET for just under 40k onroad, and my mate got a Clubsport with all the options for 50k at dealers.

All though someone offered me his AU S2 Futura for 7g the other day. And I said Good luck selling it at that price. He said Carsales have got even shitter models of AUs for that if not more. And I said yep and thats why you can still see them on carsales.

by **Commando** » December 16th, 2008, 12:20 pm

BF MK2 Wagon with 80,000 is around 8500

Are we talking 07/08 wagons? Wow, $40k to $8500 in under a year

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 12:22 pm

Yep I am talking about 07/08 Wagon range the only ones that are up around 10-12k are LPG variants

by **Sunboost** » December 16th, 2008, 12:31 pm

Pics / evidence or BAN Frost

by **Commando** » December 16th, 2008, 12:33 pm

Woah... your last post snuck in while I was posting. FG XR6Ts for $20k?!? XTs for $13k?!?

Now AU owners will feel great about their resale values.

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 12:33 pm

Pics of what the cars?

Evidence, go to the auction tomorrow or next Tuesday/Wednesday. Infact you can watch it online now.

by **ClassicAU** » December 16th, 2008, 12:40 pm

Commando wrote:Woah... your last post snuck in while I was posting. FG XR6Ts for $20k?!? XTs for $13k?!?

Now AU owners will feel great about their resale values.

Yeah, I think I just died a little inside.

Although I kinda already knew that was coming when I was offered $4k trade in on a BA MkII XR6-T manual in October.

by **Malakai** » December 16th, 2008, 12:45 pm

ClassicAU wrote:
Commando wrote:Woah... your last post snuck in while I was posting. FG XR6Ts for $20k?!? XTs for $13k?!?

Now AU owners will feel great about their resale values.

Yeah, I think I just died a little inside. Although I kinda already knew that was coming when I was offered $4k trade in on a BA MkII XR6-T manual in October.

Haha I knew you would be posting in here soon. BTW are you drunk? take the $4000 trade-in!

by **ClassicAU** » December 16th, 2008, 12:49 pm

pfft to that! If anything, I should have driven it into a tree and collected my cheque for $11,800 from Just Car Insurance! Buuuut, as I have said, I no longer have a care for getting into debt for a car. The superchager will amuse me until I get a home loan then have no money to fart.

by **Malakai** » December 16th, 2008, 12:50 pm

Actually I retract my last statement. Trading it in on a BA T would leave you in the same position as far as depreciation goes.

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 12:51 pm

4g I would took that tradein and ran..... He offered you too much, in fact he probably would of lost money the dealer that is.

The next public auction of new vehicles is not until next year, and again the cars will be cheap like that. There not auctioning New ones atm, only trade and dealers get the new car option for auctions but if you know someone in the game you will get a good deal.

I just seen a BF XR6T 6spd auto Leather and premo go for $16.5k on the auctions through the public drive through now thats good going. (I was watching online)

by **Malakai** » December 16th, 2008, 12:54 pm

Frost wrote:I just seen a BF XR6T 6spd auto Leather and premo go for $16.5k on the auctions through the public drive through now thats good going. (I was watching online)

Holy moley that is cheap. I wonder what the suicide statistics are like amongst new Falcon buyers at the moment.

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 1:18 pm

If its anything like Herrod Performance there's probably and internet forum dedicated to how much the car market has died in the past 3 months.

by **AaronEF8** » December 16th, 2008, 1:23 pm

Holy moley that is cheap. I wonder what the suicide statistics are like amongst new Falcon buyers at the moment.

Maybe thats why they're cheap at the auctions, deceased estates?

by **Sunboost** » December 16th, 2008, 1:41 pm

Those cars prob got passed in Frost.. I doubt they would sell for that much.. Honestly.

I might order a "Prices people pay" book from Fowles.

A Holden dealer had a liquidation auction and most cars fetched over 3/4 of their new car value. When you add stamp duty and other taxes to that, it isn't such a good deal.

Pics of your sister's G6ET please. *tips that Frost will use pictures from a Google Image Search*

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 1:49 pm

I will get the pictures when I see her next, sorry she lives in Carins.... (Right now your going How Convenient) but I don't need to prove nothing for you.

And how much is the bet on them being passed in Sunny? Would you ringing the guy that I do all the bidding for online and the cars hes been getting fix it?

Your in Vic roads ill give you a company name you can look at there registrations and transfers cant you? PM me for the company name and you can see for yourself.

Damaged Car auctions are just as low now because of the Scrap price gone down hill.

And also for passing in at the price? Like everything, Fowels and Pickles are so overstocked at the moment a lot of auctions are going no reserve, like the Prime Mover auction last week went no reserve near new semis going cheap.

Car Auctions, Dealers, Target, Kmart, Goodguys etc, they are walking things out the door for cost if not below because it costs them more money at the current time to hold onto such things. And if I remember correctly its also a tax deduction for selling things at a loss?

by **Commando** » December 16th, 2008, 2:16 pm

Why can't the guy bid for himself?

You sure do a shitload of work.

* Defence contractor (IT installations?)
* Owning two IGAs
* Owning a fleet of Navaras for some other line of work
* Foxtel installer
* Website designer (are you going to use that PenisComet design?)
* Online proxy bidder for trusting client who cbf clicking a mouse

by **ClassicAU** » December 16th, 2008, 2:19 pm

you forgot professional bullshit artist! I should know, I am in the same industry!

by **Sunboost** » December 16th, 2008, 2:59 pm

Another thread getting ruined by Frost.

by **EFFalcon** » December 16th, 2008, 3:02 pm

how about leaving it on the topic of car values and not frost's employment.

by **Frost** » December 16th, 2008, 4:07 pm

EFFalcon wrote:how about leaving it on the topic of car values and not frost's employment.

And Dave : Computer Illiterate comes to mind when someone has a fear of clicking a mouse.

Good Idea John.

Has anyone even been to an Auction in the last 2 months? Since Scrap declined and the stock market crash?

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