$5000 On A EB Engine,How Should I Spend It???

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 15th, 2009, 11:14 am

nothin suss wrote:Sell your car and buy one already modded and sorted for $5k....

thats one thing i wanted too do!

but i cant seem too find any,only like one or two on here...

by **nothin suss** » April 15th, 2009, 2:40 pm

cini wrote:
nothin suss wrote:Sell your car and buy one already modded and sorted for $5k....

thats one thing i wanted too do!
but i cant seem too find any,only like one or two on here...

Give me your car + $5k, and have the LTD

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 15th, 2009, 2:43 pm

lol naaa

by **eafalcon6** » April 15th, 2009, 3:04 pm

im in same situation as you..have money but looking to find something to do with it. But,as of last saturday,im off my p's

Get it turboed. Best way to go. Ive decided im getting mine done as of today.

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 15th, 2009, 7:57 pm

eafalcon6 wrote:im in same situation as you..have money but looking to find something to do with it. But,as of last saturday,im off my p's

Get it turboed. Best way to go. Ive decided im getting mine done as of today.

i would love too turbo it but just dont hav the cash for it...its about 5k for everything but then i got too get it tuned and wat not

by **LUXO_8** » April 15th, 2009, 8:08 pm

cini.....there is nothing stopping you from putting a stock motor in now, and buy the turbo kit, then saving the rest of the cash you have and adding to it over time to get it fitted and tuned...

by **Malakai** » April 15th, 2009, 11:34 pm

Snort kits come with a rising rate fuel reg, just use that until you can afford the chip and a tune.

by **NUT347** » April 16th, 2009, 12:55 am

My 2 Cents:

Buy au wrecker motor- $500

Buy stage 2 snort kit- $3000

Sundries (oil, coolant, gaskets, exhaust fitup etc...) $1500

Fit with rising rate fuel reg

Run 9psi= 200+rwkw easily

You should have gone in impravens fairlane, stock worn au motor with 9psi through a shitty arse turbo kit and i reckon it would have walked all over my XR6T.

End rant.

by **Eb Barbie** » April 16th, 2009, 8:16 am

5k should get you turboed. Just depends what set up you want and how much boost to run etc. I am running low boost but enough to 'dose' and without a cooler etc. Cost around the 3k mark. As soon as I get more cash to spend on it I can slowly add things like new converter, cooler etc. Win win :grin:

by **ELXR_96** » April 16th, 2009, 12:38 pm

I'm real keen on going N/A with good power. I want to spend about 6 grand on a AU motor that will keep up with a fairly stockish turbo eg. 200rwkw.
Just for the fact i can't drive a turbo cause the local cop wants my balls as is and i want a really reliable engine with grunt. Can anyone recommend any rebuild like ACL that will be able to make this power?

by **Malakai** » April 16th, 2009, 1:20 pm

You're not going to find a rebuild kit off the shelf that will get you 200rwkw. You are going to have to spend $5000 on a race engine builder to build you an engine and then you will still need all sorts of things like an ECU, injectors, fuel system and exhaust to go with the motor.

I don't think you grasp just how hard and expensive it is to achieve an NA i6 4l with 200rwkw.

IIRC JMMs 170kw kit is $7200.. that's just as an almost completely useless comparison.

by **ELXR_96** » April 16th, 2009, 1:34 pm

So i'd be better off buying a stock block and spending like 4k on a stage 2 snort kit?

by **Malakai** » April 16th, 2009, 1:41 pm

Yes, but not if the cops are going to take it off you as soon as it hits the street.

It is quite a dilemma you have.

by **krisisdog** » April 16th, 2009, 1:44 pm

Why not supercharge it? much easier to do a stealth install with a blower

by **ELXR_96** » April 16th, 2009, 1:50 pm

Yeah i wont last a week.
Aren't superchargers alot noisier than a turbo anyway?
It's the fact that if he is sitting on the side of the road and i have no choice but to drive past and he see's a little flicker of an inter cooler or a whine of a tubo/supercharger.. His going to bend me over and **** the shit outa my rear end..
Do use think and ACL rebuild with over sized pistons would make much better power than a standard? I've never done anything like this so anything is appreciated.
Off to work anyway thanks peeps

by **krisisdog** » April 16th, 2009, 2:10 pm

Superchargers can be virtually silent - so much so that you wont hear them over a mild exhaust. Spray your intercooler and piping black, if you run one.
What have you done to piss the cops off? the mods in your sig suggest the car is next to stock?

by **OED666** » April 16th, 2009, 3:10 pm

well my motor will be up for sale soon..

BUY IT!!! you know you want too!

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8773&p=173859

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 16th, 2009, 3:52 pm

but the thing is i need a new bottom end aswell so that only leaves me with around $3500 - $4000

i think im just going too go with a n/a engine,big cam head work and hope too get around 170rwkw with that money,plus if i got it turboed and wanted too sell it no1 would buy it coz they wouldnt get a rwc

by **holmsy** » April 16th, 2009, 4:12 pm

plenty of people buy turbo eseries mate. and pay decent money for them

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 16th, 2009, 4:15 pm

i think i've made my mind up now! lol.

im going too go buy a 2nd hand engine,buy the stage 2 turbo kit and take it to cve to get fitted and tuned,hopfuly get that all done for around 6k

by **OED666** » April 16th, 2009, 4:19 pm

cini wrote:but the thing is i need a new bottom end aswell so that only leaves me with around $3500 - $4000

i think im just going too go with a n/a engine,big cam head work and hope too get around 170rwkw with that money,plus if i got it turboed and wanted too sell it no1 would buy it coz they wouldnt get a rwc

with a 5 speed and no headwork mine was putting out 168rwkw... with a 6 speed and headwork its putting out similar power. 6 speeds soak up more hp than a 5 speed.

but i wont break it.

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 16th, 2009, 7:34 pm

would a good eb motor from the wreckers take the power of the stage 2 kit?

by **mickyyyy** » April 16th, 2009, 7:44 pm

cini

Good luck my friend as from what i read your not gona do any labour work. Just the cost of loabour to take your engine out and install another plus install and turbo kit is gona kill your pocket, you will not have much to play with to do all other necesarry things to complete the conversion properly. I would add another $1000-1500 to be safe.

check this thread out for inspiration

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4834

I would do things in stages if i were you, and the first thing would be a AU engine conversion

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 16th, 2009, 7:50 pm

im right too drop a motor and shit in,its wen it comes too fitting the turbo and stuff like that i dont no how too do.

so no good with eb engine? the best way is too fit an au engine?

by **mickyyyy** » April 16th, 2009, 8:09 pm

If you can fit a engin then u can fit a turbo kit unless you not confident on fitting the lines for oil and so on???

Find yourself a low km AU engine first and fit it up and go from there if i were you just so you know where you stand after the conversion.

AU engine is alot better in many ways and a simple search will show u what the differences are and thats why a few people do AU conversions.

by **SNR** » April 16th, 2009, 8:10 pm

AU engines are shit for boost with standard rods though.

by **mickyyyy** » April 16th, 2009, 8:21 pm

SNR

Can you elaborate plz

im very keen to see what you have to say as there are a people making 250PLUS rwkw on standard AU engine and some even 300rwkw

Even shot penging the AU rods with ARP bolt handle a heap of power

by **NUT347** » April 16th, 2009, 8:25 pm

i agree with SNR

AU engines have skinnier lighter rods, good for N/A, but not so good for boost

If you can find a GOOD eb engine (they are getting hard to find bud) then i would go down that path, if you cant, go with AU motor, your only going to be running low boost anyway

If you fit the motor, i assume CVE will fit and tune for around the $2000 mark?

by **FRDXR6** » April 16th, 2009, 8:49 pm

nothin suss wrote:Sell your car and buy one already modded and sorted for $5k....

Smartest post on here!

Seriously do not drop $5k into a performance build for several reasons. Performance builds always have little niggling issues which need ironing out - paying someone an hourly rate to troubleshoot and fix the issues will cost you big $$$. Secondly you will always have the potential issue of cops/epa putting it off the road - the prick here is that you would have to remove the whole turbo setup, once again costing you big $$$ in labour for someone to do that. Thirdly 160rwkw is not a lot of power, please dont spend $5k on a 160rwkw N/A engine :cry:

I'd sell the EB and get something already turbo for $7k. There are plenty of options in this range and most make 200rwkw+ with a few basic mods.

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 16th, 2009, 9:07 pm

i've been looking for a boosted eb or el and i cant find any. and for 6k i can get 170rwkw+ but im not sure if its worth it.

i've found a eb engine thats done 190,000 for $400 and im thinkin about buying that and putting the stage 2 kit on it...

i no i would be runnin low boost but dose anyone no how low would be safe? 6psi?

by **holmsy** » April 16th, 2009, 9:28 pm

well do you know the history of the motor? if its on 190,000km and hasnt had head gasket replaced yet then putting boost will most likely finish the gasket off and you will be doing it soon.

by **Michael (HYPOEB)** » April 16th, 2009, 9:40 pm

holmsy wrote:well do you know the history of the motor? if its on 190,000km and hasnt had head gasket replaced yet then putting boost will most likely finish the gasket off and you will be doing it soon.

yehh good point. shit i dunno wat too do,cars piss me off! :evil:

by **nothin suss** » April 16th, 2009, 10:27 pm

FRDXR6 wrote:
nothin suss wrote:Sell your car and buy one already modded and sorted for $5k....

Smartest post on here!

Buying someone elses' problems is not ideal but sometimes a bargain can be had. Their loss = Your gain.

by **ELXR_96** » April 17th, 2009, 9:32 am

krisisdog wrote:Superchargers can be virtually silent - so much so that you wont hear them over a mild exhaust. Spray your intercooler and piping black, if you run one.
What have you done to piss the cops off? the mods in your sig suggest the car is next to stock?

For the record i was blind and pulled out of my mates as the cops did. As i went past he stared me down and started breaking so i punched it up and around this hill just hammering it stupily with 3 people with me and went down a few roads with my lights off and the dumb prick did like warp factory 7 million down past a road i went up. My mates from i left from said he came down and did this huge burnout as he realised he was chasing the wrong car and flew back up the hill but i stowed away in a blokes yard lol.
Believe it or not i know all use guys and unbelievers in these things but cops are dumb. Like me i supose

by **t1MMy** » April 17th, 2009, 9:56 am

ELXR_96 wrote:
krisisdog wrote:Superchargers can be virtually silent - so much so that you wont hear them over a mild exhaust. Spray your intercooler and piping black, if you run one.
What have you done to piss the cops off? the mods in your sig suggest the car is next to stock?

For the record i was blind and pulled out of my mates as the cops did. As i went past he stared me down and started breaking so i punched it up and around this hill just hammering it stupily with 3 people with me and went down a few roads with my lights off and the dumb prick did like warp factory 7 million down past a road i went up. My mates from i left from said he came down and did this huge burnout as he realised he was chasing the wrong car and flew back up the hill but i stowed away in a blokes yard lol.
Believe it or not i know all use guys and unbelievers in these things but cops are dumb. Like me i supose

You must swim at the shallow end of the gene pool.

by **Sunboost** » April 17th, 2009, 10:28 am

This thread has massive sighs all round.

Do what nuthin suss says. Buy a already modified car, just keep waiting for one to pop up - don't rush in to anything. When you find a suitable car, have someone who knows their shit look over it with you, you don't want to buy someone else's problems.

I sold my ED Turbo running 5 psi on gas for $3500 I think it was. It was enough to munch any V6 Commos, lots of 5L's and keep up with XR6T's. It had a couple of problems, but for $2500 more it would've been all fixed and you would've had cash left over to upgrade the fuel system and go for gold with boost.

Look for something like that.

by **EBTO4Z** » April 17th, 2009, 10:39 am

Buy an AU, port head, mild cam [that could work with turbo latter if you want] good exhaust and your away..
The AU has much stronger bottom end, designed for higher rpm ....
Take rocker cover off and check that its rather clean before buying..
Even fitting std AU in E series gives more performance and economy..
Fit Std A.U and change final drive to 3.45 and you'll have an XR6 in lighter body..
Even easier if you fit A.U motor and box..
Avatar is AU turbo in E series..

by **BLKPHN** » April 17th, 2009, 10:43 am

Buy a gogomoblie! :yahoo:

by **vulpine** » April 17th, 2009, 11:01 am

au 30 thou oversize bore and knife bottom end, ef ported head & bbm, stage 3 crow cam and double springs, msd, acl au light pistons, balanced, 3.45 lsd, zex nitrous, 17inch mags, lowered springs, 2 piece tail shaft, j3 adaptor, adjustable fuel regulator, 044 fuel pump.

by **BLC** » April 17th, 2009, 11:13 am

Echoing the 200rwkw N/A is fkn expensive. Also, 200rwkw isn't a huge amount of power these days. It's still impressive for a daily driven E-series, but 200rwkw is no longer the magical figure to crack.

Cheap stockish motor + boost is the way. Make sure you have it tuned properly. If the engine dies, replace it - wrecker motors are cheap enough now that it's more economical to kill and replace a motor than it is to build a tough one. Unless your name is Wave_Man :lol:

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