B-Series vs. E-Series

[Sunboost]

Following on from Snyper's pissing and moaning about how good E-Series and how B-Series are for people looking for "an easy way out" of fixing a fucked oil pump or whatever the fuk he was on about ... discuss.

This should be a good thread to get the forums going again.

I drove my EA today, for about 20 minutes all up after 3 weeks of driving the Typhoon. I do not have any interest in driving it ever again.

[moonman]

lol is the ea n/a or boosted?

[Dansedgli]

lol does it matter? Its an EA.

[[Sterling]]

Your comparing old cars to newer cars.

My N/A BA(Even stock) is by far better than ANY E-Series ive drivin.

[Sunboost]

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8442&p=184240#p184240

see above thread for Snyper's comments.

It's NA, but I'm not talking power lol.

[Sunboost]

Fuckin don't make me type and shit Kester.

I mean like, Snyper always goes on about how he'd rather boost/do up a E-Series and try make it faster and better or whatever, rather than just buy a already turbo BA and just do that up a little bit. I think he means he would rather drop the cash you would spend on buying a BA on his EB, so like instead of buying a $15k BA1 XR6T, drop the $15k on a E-Series. Kapeesh? Somethinglikethat.

[EFFalcon]

Newer cars > Older Cars.

simple as that.

However, the world would be a boring place if we all drove the same kinda car.

[holmsy]

im on the fence.
i like ba-fg much more then ea-el's

but i will agree with snyper to a point.

if i see a 300rwkw be with mags i go ok another xr6turbo with some mods.
if i see any eseries with turbo n shit i am much more interested

so yes ba-fg is a better car but ea-el's with good mods is more of a head turner for me.

[Sunboost]

Argh you're not getting it either JW.

Technically we already do drive the same kind of car John, but that's neither here not there either.

The only difference between E-Series and B-Series is that the BA-BF is the current model Taxi.

[[Sterling]]

Fuckin don't make me type and shit Kester.

I mean like, Snyper always goes on about how he'd rather boost/do up a E-Series and try make it faster and better or whatever, rather than just buy a already turbo BA and just do that up a little bit. I think he means he would rather drop the cash you would spend on buying a BA on his EB, so like instead of buying a $15k BA1 XR6T, drop the $15k on a E-Series. Kapeesh? Somethinglikethat.

ah yep! lol dont i feel like a fucktard hahaha.

[Parfrey]

B series are better and they should be... they're newer! i still wouldnt mind a fast eseries but it wouldn't have anything over a BA.
whats wrong with gettin a car thats easy to mod? that doesn't mean you put in no effort...

[EFFalcon]

if we're not getting it, then you're not being clear enough!

your Ba is making you lazy

The thing is, anyone whos buying a BA/BF isnt spending $15k and leaving it there.
off ya go spending $1000 on a tune, then cooler, then valve springs, then injectors, then the clutch goes so you're up for another $2k. so its $15k + 15k

we're just getting a $2000 car and spending $10k

[Dansedgli]

we're just getting a $2000 car and spending $10k

Wasnt snyper selling his for $12k?

[private9]

Reminds me of the age old retarded bogan argument of turbos being cheating, cheap horsepower etc.

[EFFalcon]

it didnt sell... so he wasnt selling anything
but... nothing wrong with putting a price on something, if someone comes up with the cash then off it goes.

[Dansedgli]

If it sold for $12k I bet he would have bought a BA with the cash. Or a CFI EA for a project turbo daily.

[EFFalcon]

perhaps... or maybe he'd have purchased a Toyota Yaris

[Dezza]

The newer cars are damn nice, but I still like the character of the old e-series. My parents traded their old EB in on a BFII Fairmont Ghia late last year, and I have to say it's a damn nice car. It just feels so nice and smooth, has a bit of power to it, everything works as it should, it's comfortable and I reckon looks good too. My EAII Fairmont Ghia on the other hand isn't as smooth, has all sorts of squeaks, clunks, and rattles, but is still good fun to drive.

I also like that I can do mods myself, and even if they're a bit dodgy, I don't care. With a new car, I'd want it to be perfect, which really does add up in cost. For example, if I had a newer car, there's no way I'd use pressure pack paint on it. Since I've got 19 year old paint anyway, I don't care if it's a bit rough.

So basically I'll get a newer car one day, but I'm not going to get rid of the EA. I'm keeping it for a long time.

[bentls]

Ba is an easy way out of actually putting time and effort into a car.

LOL. and...
lol.

Compared to the standard shiz box e-series out there cars like timmy's turns heads at meets and cruises. BA's dont......

never been in dylans car i take it?
even my boring ass car with his springs in it would get people in chappel stopping in opposite direction to stare as i crawled past.....

[Commando]

If I wanted a fast & comfortable car I'd either go an XR6T or an LS1. If I simply wanted something fast & loud I probably wouldn't have bothered with my EB & gotten something like a Clevo XD or a VLT/VNSS & spent all my $$$ on the engine & driveline.

My supercharged V8 would probably get mauled by a new XR8/XR6T/LS1 (all with minor mods), I'm only keeping the EB coz I like it. Despite the fact it's not nice to drive & my GLi wagon feels better-appointed...

If I was 20 again and looking at spending my (equivalent) savings on a <10yo car, I'd probably be getting a Mk1 turbo or a VTII/VX SS. Simply because it's the newest I could afford & has reasonable poke. Then 8 years down the track I'd be talking about my 350rwkw shitbox & how I'd pick it over a 2017 400kw LS9 Commodore or XRV6TT, blah blah blah, going around in circles...

[Sunboost]

Having "been there done that" with trying to make a quickish E-Series, owning a 347 stroker EB, SLOXR8, the EA (albeit very mild at 180+ kw) - I would definitely rather nowadays buy a $15k BA XR6T and do some very mild mods (see Parfrey's car) and leave it at that, than go through the headfuck of trying to make a EA-EL go fast.

The good thing about a BA onwards is that you get some status out of it as well. You stopped getting that with an E-Series about 8 years ago.

[Parfrey]

Lol people who love only eseries think that BA's don't turn heads... i'm sure most of the population would think a BA with rims is better than an EA with rims.

[holmsy]

just to be sure. we all realise this is a pointless arguement and in the end we all pretty much know ba etc are much better cars but turbo/charged eseries are more unique.

[Commando]

As for "status", I'd say the black hole there is XE-AUIII (excluding ESPs, T-Series & GTs). People take notice of tidy/tough pre-XE Falcons now. 5 years ago that would've been pre-XA, and AU XRs would have still been "status" worthy.

I reckon there's a general status "black hole" for cars aged 8-28 years. And that XFs & EAs will never gain it

[EFFalcon]

the only BA's that have some status are FPV's.
the only Eseries that have Status are GT's

your choice to simply go for a BA may be because your getting older/lazy
you can't be bothered working on the car yourself as much.

[EFFalcon]

Lol people who love only eseries think that BA's don't turn heads... i'm sure most of the population would think a BA with rims is better than an EA with rims.

I'd prefer to impress like minded car people then the 'general' population.

the general population would probably look at a prius over a BA.

It costs more $$ to make a BA stand out.
There are shit loads of awesome BA/BF's around, no doubt about it.
But there is also a MASSIVE amount of BA's with the usual cooler/tune/injectors with rims.

and i mean no disrespect to a majority of BA owners on this site who have done the above, some people just want a quick car with comfort.
others want something a little different.

[Dansedgli]

Youse kunts need to man up and buy mavericks.

[EFFalcon]

Youse kunts need to man up and buy mavericks.

and you need to man up and buy a tank.

[Dansedgli]

Pfft tanks are for pussies!

I often get compliments like

"Wow, I cant believe this is your only car!"

"Do you really drive this in public?" I assume that's referring to how mint it is and how it should be a display piece in a museum.

"No way this is safe!"

etc etc

[John_LS1]

4-5 years ago boosting an E-series was a good cheap way to get plenty of power with out having to fork out the asking price of the then near new BA XR6T's etc. now days its just plain silly to spend heaps of $$$ on a car that is essentially worthless, wont handle, squeeks and rattles, half the crap dont work or needs half the car rebuilt to make it decent again.

I dont think its being lazy, i see it as a smarter decision these days.

[Sunboost]

Lol people who love only eseries think that BA's don't turn heads... i'm sure most of the population would think a BA with rims is better than an EA with rims.

I'd prefer to impress like minded car people then the 'general' population.

the general population would probably look at a prius over a BA.

It costs more $$ to make a BA stand out.
There are shit loads of awesome BA/BF's around, no doubt about it.
But there is also a MASSIVE amount of BA's with the usual cooler/tune/injectors with rims.

and i mean no disrespect to a majority of BA owners on this site who have done the above, some people just want a quick car with comfort.
others want something a little different.

Nah the general population definitely know that a clean BA onwards is something nice to own compared to EA-EL. I drove all sorts of shitters to work before I got the BF and then the BA, and people gave lots of "WTF what a pov cnt" kind of looks.

When I got the BF people started asking Q's.. oh that's nice, where'd you get it?, how much did you pay? bla bla bla. Same with Rips' Fairlane when I drove it for a few weeks, got heaps of looks and questions.

People are impressed with done up E-Series only when they display P Plates. EB and EL GT's to the "general population" still look like a done-up E-Series. The ones that would really impress are the ones that are locked up with only a few thousand km's on them, without hip ripples and sht on the doors and no swirls etc.

I guess this thread is turning in to "what people want out of their own cars" sort of thing.

I want something that turns heads, but gives the impression (only impression lol) that you are doing well, and still wins a race against a decent car I can do all that now

And Holmsy, yes we already know that.

4-5 years ago boosting an E-series was a good cheap way to get plenty of power with out having to fork out the asking price of the then near new BA XR6T's etc. now days its just plain silly to spend heaps of $$$ on a car that is essentially worthless, wont handle, squeeks and rattles, half the crap dont work or needs half the car rebuilt to make it decent again.

I dont think its being lazy, i see it as a smarter decision these days.

Hit the nail on the head.

[Nikk O'lass]

I like my E-series!

Techincaly, a newer car is always going to be better, no one can aruge with that. B-Series have amazing engines and IRS and that shit. BA's look too bulky but.


If i was to update, it would be too an Au, no joke. I find the interior has nicer materials, and feels less plasticy (shame about the dash...) And outside an Au is more exciting, need work, but thats the good thing!

Or a F-series!

[EFFalcon]

If i wanted a status symbol i wouldn't own a Falcon

[Sunboost]

If i wanted a status symbol i wouldn't own a Falcon

Lol this could keep going on, some people would say the same about a Merc or BM. In Australia, a new high-series or sports model Falcon, Commodore, FPV, HSV all have some status on the roads. Definitely can't say they don't!

[Nikk O'lass]

if we're not getting it, then you're not being clear enough!

your Ba is making you lazy

The thing is, anyone whos buying a BA/BF isnt spending $15k and leaving it there.
off ya go spending $1000 on a tune, then cooler, then valve springs, then injectors, then the clutch goes so you're up for another $2k. so its $15k + 15k

we're just getting a $2000 car and spending $10k

This.

If i went out and bought a XR6T or somthing, ild have no money for mods etc.

Plus, i have the only turbo E-series in town, there are a few heavly modded B-Series in town (Ones Xr6 with apparently 800@tw... if it ever got a proper tune...)

[DEVLXR]

Hard to say really, I don't think I could own a BA just because it seems EVERYONE has one! Just look at Ford magazine covers, if it's not an XY you can almost guarantee it'll be a BA, even if it's just a BA XR6T with 19" wheels and the owner took it to a shop to get some go-fast bits put on. Sure it's making over 300rwkw but it looks like the owners never touched the car with a spanner himself!

Anyway, BA's are a million times the car of an E-Series in terms of ride, comfort, refinement etc and when Dylan took me for a ride in his XR6T I didn't know why I was still in an EB, but I still just come back to the old phrase, "BA's are like 'clits', every **** has one"!! So I'd prefer to drive an E-Series.

Now FG's on the other hand I'd own, awesome car, however in a few years we'll all be so sick of seeing them because they are as common as a BA we'll have the same topic come up again!

[Nikk O'lass]

The good thing about a BA onwards is that you get some status out of it as well. You stopped getting that with an E-Series about 8 years ago.

I'm getting a good status around town, when they hear about a turbo E-series they say one thing, "interesting". If i had a BA XR6 i would look like one of man middle-aged man owners.


This whole argument is stupid anyway, chalk and cheese. People play around with cars to please themselves, not others. When the EA's were new, people were still doing up X series falcons. Some people have a Emotional hinge to a particular era of cars. And there is nothing wrong with that.

One thing i have noticed is that on AFF there is a many a B-series member with a superiority Syndrome...

[nstg8a]

If i wanted a status symbol i wouldn't own a Falcon

haha, damn right...





if i could afford to id be driving a ba/bf, no doubt about it.

even my uncles ba xt is nicer and quicker than any stock or near stock 'e' series ive driven, and the price of a ba xt now is bloody cheap... ive been hunting for a ed/ed fairmont ghia v8 wagon but the more ba's i see the more i think i want one.

plus the 'status' thing is sorta valid unfortunatly.... joe public probably couldnt tell the difference between a 7 or 8k high km ba xt and a 20000km bf ghia...

even my missus, who i credit for getting me out of the whole 'tic up a car on 100% finance' circus said to me that she would rather i got a bank loan to get a nice ba, than to buy an old falcon and then spend heaps on it...

[holmsy]

i also have had the choice to buy a ba xr6 cheap and could have done so but choose not to.
partially beacause eseries are cheap for parts and to work on and i am more then happy to run the prick into the ground

[bentls]

and also to the people generalising saying just cos people own ba/bf's they dont work on them cos they are "new" its like me saying all e series are shit cos they are "old"
every mod currently done to my car i have done myself.... except the tune.

and now how many people with e series have wired up their own wolfs/autronics and tuned them themselves?
tristan did 90% of the stuff on his car himself...

dylan has done a crap ton of work to his car himself... albeit he didnt do his own valve springs and surge tank and tune and injectors but alot of that stuff needs to be run in and tuned on the dyno or the car wont even start. im sure if the paint on sunny's phoon was shithouse he would probly have a go at spraying the beast with his posse... need i go on?

cars such as timmys sure look bloody good for e series, i bet my mum wouldnt notice it was resprayed....

owners of modified b series will notice b series that stand out no matter how stock they still look.... take cars like tristans for example... i could spot that thing a mile away....yet visually it had no spoiler (making it look more plain) stock wheels lowered... and a big ass cooler... yet in dense traffic the thing stood out to me like dogs balls...

just like how e series enthusiasts notice stand out e series cars.....