B-Series vs. E-Series

nothin suss · Post by **nothin suss** » May 8th, 2009, 7:07 pm

krisisdog wrote:
ORSM4L wrote:I purchased my BA because I wanted one.
I purchased my EL because I wanted one.
I would have thought that was a good enough reason.
Who cares what everyone else has.
That would be true, if only this thread wasnt a massive piss-take.

Amen to both statements....

wicksy · Post by **wicksy** » May 9th, 2009, 9:36 am

fark yas all i am fucking my XR8 off and getting a VZ SS,

someLS1 · Post by **someLS1** » May 9th, 2009, 12:29 pm

wicksy wrote:fark yas all i am fucking my XR8 off and getting a VZ SS,

champion! you wont regret it

Post by **Sunboost** » May 9th, 2009, 12:51 pm

SLOLS1 wrote:
wicksy wrote:fark yas all i am fucking my XR8 off and getting a VZ SS,
champion! you wont regret it

Lol! Was waiting for your predictable reply Max

P.S a VY SS on Princes last night quit trying to egg me on after he asked how much power I was making and shiz

t1MMy · Post by **t1MMy** » May 9th, 2009, 12:59 pm

fknlol!!

He wind the window back up and behave himself after you told him?

someLS1 · Post by **someLS1** » May 9th, 2009, 7:15 pm

Its only predictable cause its true hahahaha........

I would keep trying to egg you on cause i love seeing kents skate hahaha wat a silly ss owner..

I remember i tried to gee up a vx ss didnt have a bar of it... pull out in front of him... massive cooler, yer i was put in my place lol no race required

bentls · Post by **bentls** » May 10th, 2009, 12:07 pm

i was egging a vx with ls1 on last night haha. He didnt like it when i smoked him off the line and kept pulling away and then 2nd kicked out bad and skated once already infront of him. Lol kept reving it up past me trying to make himself feel better cos naturally his car sounded sweet lol. Had exhaust and i think was auto

BRADMAN · Post by **BRADMAN** » May 13th, 2009, 6:57 pm

wow this thread is massive.... so ill sum up my opinion quickly...

eseries = old, rattley and plain shitboxes

dont get me wrong....i love my eseries....esp now with more enjoyable power....but at the end of the day its still an eseries

bseries = still built by ford...so still built to a price....give them a few years and they will be eseries....they are easier to mod and refined....but still shit

want something thats powerful, smooth and built to last id try something european....

at the end of the day this is a pointless argument....id put my choice down to $$$....go with what you can offord....not what's cool and not cool to own.

brad

Malakai · Post by **Malakai** » May 13th, 2009, 10:31 pm

Bahhh all Ausrtalian cars are shit. I'm going to import a Genesis Coupe R-Spec... who wants to buy my car? Real cheap!

BI6TIM · Post by **BI6TIM** » May 13th, 2009, 10:42 pm

BRADMAN wrote:wow this thread is massive.... so ill sum up my opinion quickly...

eseries = old, rattley and plain shitboxes

dont get me wrong....i love my eseries....esp now with more enjoyable power....but at the end of the day its still an eseries

bseries = still built by ford...so still built to a price....give them a few years and they will be eseries....they are easier to mod and refined....but still shit

want something thats powerful, smooth and built to last id try something european....

at the end of the day this is a pointless argument....id put my choice down to $$$....go with what you can offord....not what's cool and not cool to own.

brad

I agree with pretty much everything that BRADMAN says, but I'd replace "european" with Japanese.

I will, however, stick up for the e-series a little bit here and say, at least EA's took 10-15 years for the centre console lids to become loose while I've driven many BA's at work that have looser and noisier interior parts and fitment than a lot of e-series already. That together with the price of a BA MkII onwards is what keeps me away from the b-series.

Post by **Sunboost** » May 14th, 2009, 1:16 pm

Those talking about euro and jap cars are missing the point. If you had 15-20k would u dump it on a e-series or buy a turbo b-series. That's what it's about.

Post by **Bipolar** » May 14th, 2009, 1:23 pm

Bingo. You'd have to be a ignorant elitist snob to think all Aussie cars are shit. Like BRADMAN says it's all about what you can afford. I don't think you can go past an Aussie car for value for money, but of course there's always gonna be something better if you've got the cash. You could drive a Veyron and call Porsches shit. But again that's just fucken stupid - it's all down to cost vs benefit.

EF ECTIV · Post by **EF ECTIV** » May 14th, 2009, 2:32 pm

another 15-20k could get me a bulletproof engine, fully smoothed engine bay, decent stereo, set deep set convo
pros, reverse cowl scoop, sunroof etc ec..... I'd be going with that option....

Troutman · Post by **Troutman** » May 14th, 2009, 5:57 pm

Well, if I still had my EA in the same condition it was, I doubt I'd get rid of it for a generic BA that is the same as everyone else's, except for perhaps buying a sensible BA Futura or similar daily driver. There is emotional appeal in older cars, especially one with a lot of history from one's childhood etc. An XY GTHO costs 10 times the price of an FG GT-P despite being about a tenth of the car in every measurable area like performance, braking, drivability etc.

However, if starting off today, BA is the best value for money starting point. The real question will come in another few years when the cycle repeats, and everyone is debating throwing out their crappy old BAs for a 2010 XR6T or similar. I think the ultimate question is whether to buy into the 'throw away' mentality or not. In 20 years I'm sure a good BA will be a desirable classic.

BRADMAN · Post by **BRADMAN** » May 14th, 2009, 7:05 pm

EF ECTIV wrote:another 15-20k could get me a bulletproof engine, fully smoothed engine bay, decent stereo, set deep set convo
pros, reverse cowl scoop, sunroof etc ec..... I'd be going with that option....

and it would still be worth less than 5grand
eseries dont have resale or insurrance value

so to answer your question sunny....you would be silly not to spend 10-15grand on a bseries because at least you have a chance to recover 50%+ of mods you put into it....putting that sorta cash into eseries is a huge gamble...ive done it so i know....next time around id spend that money on something newer and insurable.

is that more on target sunny?

brad

Post by **pHaT`eL** » May 14th, 2009, 7:10 pm

The only thing is, in 10 years, BA's wont be worth anything either

BlackED_Sprint · Post by **BlackED_Sprint** » May 14th, 2009, 7:40 pm

and round and round in circles goes the thread...

Nikk O'lass · Post by **Nikk O'lass** » May 14th, 2009, 7:45 pm

Its a stupid thread.

I could buy a Cressida and put a 1J in it, and it will be faster then a E-series (even a B-Series) I could buy a Celsior and it would be more comfortable. But that's not the point. If people went out and just played with the latest greatest the car scene would be boring. I suppose you shouldn't do up X series falcons because you could buy a B Series.

Farkin Stupid dumb-arse idea...

EF ECTIV · Post by **EF ECTIV** » May 14th, 2009, 9:04 pm

BRADMAN wrote:
EF ECTIV wrote:another 15-20k could get me a bulletproof engine, fully smoothed engine bay, decent stereo, set deep set convo
pros, reverse cowl scoop, sunroof etc ec..... I'd be going with that option....

and it would still be worth less than 5grand
eseries dont have resale or insurrance value

so to answer your question sunny....you would be silly not to spend 10-15grand on a bseries because at least you have a chance to recover 50%+ of mods you put into it....putting that sorta cash into eseries is a huge gamble...ive done it so i know....next time around id spend that money on something newer and insurable.

is that more on target sunny?

brad

if you dont have any intention to sell then WGAF... Get agreed value insurance with someone like shannons and then its not
a problem ether.... Spending money highly modding a car only to sell to make back 50% of it at resale is stupid....

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » May 15th, 2009, 12:41 am

Hell yeah.

Selling ftl, I'm keeping my car until I kill it, or it kills me.

(hopefully the former....)

(hopefully not any time soon..........)

Post by **FordFairmont** » May 15th, 2009, 1:36 pm

BRADMAN wrote: so to answer your question sunny....you would be silly not to spend 10-15grand on a bseries because at least you have a chance to recover 50%+ of mods you put into it....putting that sorta cash into eseries is a huge gamble

um i thought spending $$ on modding any car is dead money..... unless its an XY or XW

a BA turb has the same market value whether its stock, or if it has leb coolers & 2000lb/s injectors

krisisdog · Post by **krisisdog** » May 15th, 2009, 2:21 pm

FordFairmont wrote:
BRADMAN wrote: so to answer your question sunny....you would be silly not to spend 10-15grand on a bseries because at least you have a chance to recover 50%+ of mods you put into it....putting that sorta cash into eseries is a huge gamble
um i thought spending $$ on modding any car is dead money..... unless its an XY or XW

a BA turb has the same market value whether its stock, or if it has leb coolers & 2000lb/s injectors

Modding is, restoring isnt (XY, XW)

fastea · Post by **fastea** » May 15th, 2009, 11:17 pm

At the end of the day doesnt matter how much money you pump into an EA. Its still an EA or any other E-series for that matter.

Post by **Commando** » May 16th, 2009, 12:02 am

fastea wrote:At the end of the day doesnt matter how much money you pump into an EA. Its still an EA or any other E-series for that matter.

So an EA like Rmyers' one is "still an EA". How about the GTs?

Parfrey · Post by **Parfrey** » May 16th, 2009, 12:11 am

pHaT`eL wrote:The only thing is, in 10 years, BA's wont be worth anything either

yeah, but they'll still be worth more than an eseries!

In 10 years.. BA XR6T for like 6g or a turbo eseries for 5g.. i no what i'd be getting!

fastea · Post by **fastea** » May 16th, 2009, 12:11 am

Commando wrote:
fastea wrote:At the end of the day doesnt matter how much money you pump into an EA. Its still an EA or any other E-series for that matter.
So an EA like Rmyers' one is "still an EA". How about the GTs?

It was sold and complied as an EA back between 1987-90. So yep its still an EA. even know its a very sexy looking one.

Post by **Commando** » May 16th, 2009, 12:15 am

You're somewhat changing the context of your previous post there.

67rce · Post by **67rce** » May 16th, 2009, 12:24 am

EA's came out in 1988 mate, not 1987

fastea · Post by **fastea** » May 16th, 2009, 12:35 am

67rce wrote:EA's came out in 1988 mate, not 1987

Although EAs were launched in March of 1988 there is still 1987 Plated EAs (Cause ford would of been in production of them before release).

As for my context changing. They are still an EA. Sexyness, Mods, Turbos or not they are still a 20 yr old Falcon with alot of bad reports.

And Rymers EA is a good looking EA, with lots of work, and very good head turner and an awesome car. Its an EA. No offence to him.

t1MMy · Post by **t1MMy** » May 16th, 2009, 1:04 am

omfggetoveritffs

SnyperEB · Post by **SnyperEB** » May 16th, 2009, 8:27 am

lol this thread is still going strong. Now we are talking about EA's lucky mines an EB.........

Post by **Commando** » May 16th, 2009, 9:15 am

As for my context changing. They are still an EA. Sexyness, Mods, Turbos or not they are still a 20 yr old Falcon with alot of bad reports.

I guess in the future then, GT-Ps and F6s and people's custom projects which started out as XTs but are like the 2020 version of Rmyers' EA will be "just BAs". Coz they had bad reports about diffs & handbrakes & warped rotors & shit back in the day.

Troutman · Post by **Troutman** » May 16th, 2009, 10:05 am

People do start to get over '80s new-car recalls etc when a car is 20+ years old and everything has been replaced. As a matter of fact, to the person on the street it doesn't matter what the car "just" is - if it is individual, looks good, goes well etc they will give it the respect it deserves. Thankfully the arrogant/elitist thing is for the most part limited to people sitting behind their computers on forums.

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » May 17th, 2009, 10:58 am

Jake wrote:I'd rather a stock N/A 6 bf ghia than any turbo E-seires anyday...

i have to take this thread back to the second page for a minute... this comment... to me thats like saying "i'd take a pounding in the ass, instead of that threesome with those hot bitches"

FOR.0EL · Post by **FOR.0EL** » May 17th, 2009, 11:11 am

Fairmont888 wrote:
Jake wrote:I'd rather a stock N/A 6 bf ghia than any turbo E-seires anyday...
i have to take this thread back to the second page for a minute... this comment... to me thats like saying "i'd take a pounding in the ass, instead of that threesome with those hot bitches"

i honestly think you would choose the pounding haha!

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » May 17th, 2009, 11:14 am

that doesnt make any sense... given i wouldn't drive a stock bf ghia over a turbo e-series

burnt turtle · Post by **burnt turtle** » May 17th, 2009, 11:31 am

Fairmont888 wrote:that doesnt make any sense... given i wouldn't drive a stock bf ghia over a turbo e-series

get over it mate, each to there own

Post by **turdbox** » May 17th, 2009, 12:12 pm

Weight and ease of modding are the only two things going for the E-series. xr6t's have swung the pendullum in the B-series favour with cheap nasty tunes.
N/A is the way to go for reliability IMO. Personaly I'd rather have a car that is 1 second slower down the 1/4 mile that goes for 200,000km, then a turbanator that only goes 100,000km.

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » May 17th, 2009, 12:23 pm

burnt turtle wrote:
Fairmont888 wrote:that doesnt make any sense... given i wouldn't drive a stock bf ghia over a turbo e-series
get over it mate, each to there own

haha i love the "get over it" attitude you bring to everything. if you think any part of what i said was me seriously trying to have a go at someone over liking B-series then you are an idiot. was merely pointing out i wouldn't drive a BF ghia over a turbo e-series. on a side note, visibility out of a B-series compared to any E-series is bloody shocking

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » May 17th, 2009, 4:19 pm

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index ... opic=57611" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Depreciation is a bitch

*Not that it would affect boosted members much, as very few of us buy new

turdbox wrote:Weight and ease of modding are the only two things going for the E-series. xr6t's have swung the pendullum in the B-series favour with cheap nasty tunes.
N/A is the way to go for reliability IMO. Personaly I'd rather have a car that is 1 second slower down the 1/4 mile that goes for 200,000km, then a turbanator that only goes 100,000km.

Good luck with that.

I'd happily build an engine every 50,000km if it meant I could do 11z any time I wanted in that 50,000km. Some people just like to go fast