Poll : The drag racing issue? Whats your view?

by **67rce** » June 7th, 2009, 7:00 pm

Yes, but staging and then spooling for 5-10 seconds after the light has gone green is ridiculous

by **67rce** » June 7th, 2009, 7:01 pm

Yes, but staging and then spooling for 5-10 seconds after the light has gone green is ridiculous

by **Rollin** » June 8th, 2009, 1:28 am

Malakai wrote:I can't believe you don't like the long spool time Rollin. I agree with everything you said except that the long spool time is "teh gay".

What is the benefit of having a laggy as fcuck launch? It's massive gay.

The only time I've seen it with my own eyes was a maroon VL at willowbank years ago. Guy sat in the water stalling up for easily 15 seconds before the car had the power to turn the tyres to do a skid (while everyone in the crowd was going "what the fcuk is this tosser doing?" Then sat on the line for another 15-20 seconds attempting to spool, (by which time the other car had completed its run and everyone in the crowd was again talking about the gayness of the car) then did a 12.5. That's pathetic.

Watching a car spooling on the line when the other one is halfway down the track is boring as hell and selfish - it takes one 10 second car the same time to run a quarter as two 15 second cars :banghead:

. I also get mental images of the gearbox oil temp climbing through the roof while the car sits on the converter waiting for some proper power to arrive.

Massive spool time is not a prerequisite for going fast, so why cope with it? Change your turbo setup or converter to make the car be capable of launching on the green!!!!!!!!!

by **Malakai** » June 8th, 2009, 10:00 am

I guess everyone just looks at it differently. I like watching them climbing the revs slowly not really doing much then BANG! it goes off like an explosion.

Doing all that and only cutting a 12.5 ET is pretty crap. Doing all that and cutting an 8 second ET is bloody cool. The sound is easily half of the appeal if not most of the appeal for me.

by **wolf** » June 8th, 2009, 10:16 am

i have to agree i think it is pretty cool sitting there waiting for the explosion.

its ether going to take of like a rocket or explode on the track ether way i am happy.

by **dcstraight** » June 8th, 2009, 10:40 am

wolf wrote:its ether going to take of like a rocket or explode on the track ether way i am happy.

haha - I'll pay that !

by **EBTO4Z** » June 8th, 2009, 11:41 am

Yes looks like a truck turbo has been fitted??
In most cases spool can be improved with better tune, pre-stage etc..
"Auto" engines usually spool better with heaps of advance to get engine up on converter [load] to then spool turbo.. Nitrous helps if rules apply...A Lot is up to converter set up where some load before lock up helps...

A manual tune in this area usually retarded timing and heaps of fuel. So the unburnt fuel explodes in turbine, giving quick spool..
A Lot of this is NOT normal street driving styles as you wouldn't have the same traction on the street.. No street I have seen has never had the traction treatment WSID gets!!! Plus slicks are sort of frowned on !! [Even street E/T radials!!] <<< Trust me I know !!!<<< Lol..

I guess over time the owners of these cars will eventually sort them out!! Though I agree it's a pain for a paying spectator..The guy who beats a faster car is called a "holeshot" where he beats him off the line.. You see this often on Pro stock racing.. Btw E.T is "elapsed" time..Not "Estimated" time..
Some comments here seem to come from guys who have never raced or driven a turbo car..

by **boostedbb** » June 8th, 2009, 12:01 pm

i think regardless of how long you spool after the light is green it is still a true ten second pass however i dont believe it is racing it's more just a time trial

by **67rce** » June 8th, 2009, 12:28 pm

Rollin wrote:
Malakai wrote:I can't believe you don't like the long spool time Rollin. I agree with everything you said except that the long spool time is "teh gay".

What is the benefit of having a laggy as fcuck launch? It's massive gay.

The only time I've seen it with my own eyes was a maroon VL at willowbank years ago. Guy sat in the water stalling up for easily 15 seconds before the car had the power to turn the tyres to do a skid (while everyone in the crowd was going "what the fcuk is this tosser doing?" Then sat on the line for another 15-20 seconds attempting to spool, (by which time the other car had completed its run and everyone in the crowd was again talking about the gayness of the car) then did a 12.5. That's pathetic.

Watching a car spooling on the line when the other one is halfway down the track is boring as hell and selfish - it takes one 10 second car the same time to run a quarter as two 15 second cars . I also get mental images of the gearbox oil temp climbing through the roof while the car sits on the converter waiting for some proper power to arrive.

Massive spool time is not a prerequisite for going fast, so why cope with it? Change your turbo setup or converter to make the car be capable of launching on the green!!!!!!!!!

Try being the guy waiting behind said tosser for your run

by **Fritzz** » June 8th, 2009, 8:42 pm

boostedbb wrote:i think regardless of how long you spool after the light is green it is still a true ten second pass however i dont believe it is racing it's more just a time trial

yes i agree...

you only see extra long spool up after the green lite when they are trying to get the most from the car... you wouldn't see this in normal racing

its normally the budget cars that want to go fast that do this

by **Sunboost** » June 8th, 2009, 9:34 pm

This thread has aids.

Shaun is trying to feel faster than he actually is.

by **OED666** » June 8th, 2009, 9:45 pm

if i spool my n/a falcooon for 15 seconds, and it takes me less than 15 seconds to cross, does that mean i'm going back in time, and i'm like supa fast!

by **Mr. CVE** » June 8th, 2009, 11:29 pm

One of the problems is the ANDRA rules for some classes do not allow electronic engine management this makes it ultra hard to have a desired stall speed off boost, yet not go too far on boost.
I believe the new sports compact classes will rectify that.
slightly off topic i remember watching a honda on the dyno a while back at 6000 rpm hit load and start the dyno pull it couldn't go, started at 7000rpm and woosh !! off it went, pulled 300 + rwkw, perhaps not practical, however a big number.

Watching the video may help explain how stall speed is determined by engine torque.

Oh one thing I noticed in my car doing that cooks the crap out of the trans fluid !

by **vegabass** » June 9th, 2009, 8:46 am

I think both are 10 sec times but if you cant spool enough boost before the green then you are gay. once you accept that then you should ditch your turbo and get a S/C, problem solved

by **BROCKYB8** » June 9th, 2009, 9:17 am

Ok just a question for some turbo people.

There are 2 9 second e series in vic that i know off
- The jmm one who ran 9.98 at heathcote at street ford nationals
- Micks dyno thing that ran 9.91 same day .
Both of these cars actually made it almost all the way through to final with the jmm actually making the final and winning it 10.01 was the final time .

And not once did either of them have to spool it up for a long time(dyo)
However during the day during practice they both had a go at this.

Well so why can both of these cars do both ways and others cant .
Sorry it may be dumb but just thought id ask

by **ned** » June 9th, 2009, 10:33 am

If it's not bracket racing what does it matter?

If you break the last beam in 10secs and it took you 15secs to leave the line, it's still a 10sec pass.

by **TUFED6** » June 9th, 2009, 1:43 pm

It's all about getting every last bit of performance. For most people getting to the drags is a bit of a fcukaround so why not try and go as fast as possible?

If it was heads-up racing most of these cars that spool for ages could skip the spool business and still maul 99.9% of anything that you lined up against them.

Personally I think really loud V8's that make fcuk-all power are annoying and pointless, but you see heaps of them at the drags and people love them.

Thread has aids. Not HIV. Full blown aids.

by **Rollin** » June 9th, 2009, 5:07 pm

TUFED6 wrote:My car is going to take 2 minutes to spool when I eventually finish it.

Fixed :p

by **oneredED** » June 9th, 2009, 5:20 pm

TUFED6 wrote:Personally I think really loud V8's that make fcuk-all power are annoying and pointless, but you see heaps of them at the drags and people love them.

Actually I agree with this too. V8's with dropped pipes that sound like they're off their head, slicks, front runners etc... they launch like animals off the convertor, on their way to a 13 second pass at full noise. Massive let down.

by **needfordspeed** » June 9th, 2009, 7:05 pm

oneredED wrote:
TUFED6 wrote:Personally I think really loud V8's that make fcuk-all power are annoying and pointless, but you see heaps of them at the drags and people love them.

Actually I agree with this too. V8's with dropped pipes that sound like they're off their head, slicks, front runners etc... they launch like animals off the convertor, on their way to a 13 second pass at full noise. Massive let down.

I agree as well, they're so loud that it's just annoying. I remember racing some XW ute with dropped pipes I ended up passing him somewhere in third and we both ran amazing 14 second times lol.....not even worth all the noise.

by **Sunboost** » June 9th, 2009, 9:04 pm

I remember how much of a gun Bass Crazy was when he ran a 15.01, and how much more of a gun Hus was when he ran 14.9. Those were the days. Then XR6T's and 13's out of the box ruined everything.

by **Rollin** » June 10th, 2009, 12:08 am

oneredED+needfordspeed+ the non gay part of TUFED6's post, I totally agree with that.

There was an Aurion at the test and tune last week, IIRC it usually runs high 6s or low 7s. Ran a practice pass around 8.5@125mph and made hardly any more noise than my car except for the antilag on the line (which was sick as fcuck and involved 2m flames coming out of the side of the car) then straight after that a couple of shitty HQ tonners with dropped pipes nearly broke my ears on their way to a couple of 12s :/ Super gay.

Sunny - yeah

sigh.

by **67rce** » June 10th, 2009, 1:31 am

Dropping pipes is gay, lol at needfordspeeds XW example, my AU went 14.3 with a full exhaust.... shame Windsors are so slow....

by **Commando** » June 10th, 2009, 8:31 am

Rollin - Tonners running 12s might be gay, but VN executives with black bumpers, dropped pipes, covered in illegible stickers, trying to SLALOM up the track (and not losing traction) is gayer. Another guy (P-Plater) had a VZ Executive, and decided to remove his numberplates for some reason :scratch:

by **67rce** » June 10th, 2009, 10:20 am

Commando wrote:Rollin - Tonners running 12s might be gay, but VN executives with black bumpers, dropped pipes, covered in illegible stickers, trying to SLALOM up the track (and not losing traction) is gayer. Another guy (P-Plater) had a VZ Executive, and decided to remove his numberplates for some reason

Warranty? Maybe why the plater were off. I had some guy up here wit no rego sticker and plates taped up think the cops were out the to book everyone for racing

by **Commando** » June 10th, 2009, 11:08 am

Hadn't thought of that! (warranty)

How can the cops do that, if you're racing at a racetrack?

by **67rce** » June 10th, 2009, 11:26 am

Fucks me, this guy was freaked out about it, hilarious, fucken 2 door commodore drivers

by **Mr. CVE** » June 10th, 2009, 11:38 am

Commando wrote:Hadn't thought of that! (warranty)

How can the cops do that, if you're racing at a racetrack?

if the car is wearing number plates and is in a non roadworthy state, even though it is on a private track, it can still be sent a request for RWC inspection.
this happened a few years ago at shepperton spring nats, they were booking cars that were on trailers

by **Commando** » June 10th, 2009, 11:48 am

Very poor form!

But, you know, getting these criminals/their highly dangerous death machines off the road (wait, aren't they already if they're on trailers?) is more important than looking after Indian students...

by **pHaT`eL** » June 10th, 2009, 2:20 pm

Id rather sit there and spool up, if your allowed to, why wouldnt you? Traffic light drags are different obviously.

by **ClassicAU** » June 10th, 2009, 2:29 pm

Bugger this poncy spooling rubbish! Instant V8 torque FTW!! :cool:

by **Gozza** » June 10th, 2009, 2:32 pm

Refer to Joker 8's with dumped pipes running 13's

by **ClassicAU** » June 10th, 2009, 2:44 pm

Firstly, it was a high 14!!

There was no dumping of pipes involved, unless you count rusted holes in the exhaust.

by **Gozza** » June 10th, 2009, 3:21 pm

i wasn't referring to your car dude. Just like your post wasn't referring to mine :thumbsup:

by **Rollin** » June 10th, 2009, 5:20 pm

67rce - Wouldn't have been a red V2 monaro CV8 owned by a bogan looking guy with no teeth? I used to work with him, he's a complete fruitcake 24/7, not just when he's at the drags!

by **Revengelane** » June 12th, 2009, 11:04 pm

ClassicAU wrote:Bugger this poncy spooling rubbish! Instant V8 torque FTW!!

Wow, V8's make torque these days........ :grin:

by **67rce** » June 12th, 2009, 11:19 pm

Rollin wrote:67rce - Wouldn't have been a red V2 monaro CV8 owned by a bogan looking guy with no teeth? I used to work with him, he's a complete fruitcake 24/7, not just when he's at the drags!

Yup thats the guy

by **bentls** » June 13th, 2009, 9:57 am

you should get off on this one then snyper
http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x143 ... 009028.flv

v8 ed xr... afr165 heads stock block 100hp shot of nos runs a 10.98 has like a 3.7 stally

by **Rollin** » June 13th, 2009, 12:34 pm

11.3@100mph? Must have lost an apex seal at half track

The ED is pretty stout but

by **SnyperEB** » June 13th, 2009, 7:01 pm

Pretty awesome launch on that thing.

Should you be able to Spool Up after the green has gone.

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