Discussion on running 10s - fordmods SA division

by **josh_ef** » June 17th, 2010, 5:08 pm

on a smiliar not reguarding running 10s

what are the e series fuel lines like?

do they need to be upgraded for big horsepower applications?

are they fine for 300 rwk plus?

by **Hiboost** » June 17th, 2010, 5:15 pm

josh_ef wrote:on a smiliar not reguarding running 10s

what are the e series fuel lines like?

do they need to be upgraded for big horsepower applications?

are they fine for 300 rwk plus?

std fuel lines would supply enuf fuel for around 360-380rwk unless you have massive injectors where you can go much more on the injector duty cylcle.

by **josh_ef** » June 17th, 2010, 6:16 pm

cheers

by **vulpine** » July 6th, 2010, 4:53 pm

two subjects that fail to get much attention yet are critical to running the best times are traction and weight. Instead of thousands of discussions on rwkW, maybe a discussion on how to get the weight down would be better.
There are enough build threads on here that will get an engine up to the task considering at least one is running 8s now, but how do you get your weight down to say 1350kg.
Traction ive got no clue on, all i hear is softer the better.

by **Rollin** » July 6th, 2010, 4:59 pm

Weight is easy. Remove everything from the car, and only put back the stuff that makes it go fast

by **Misterel** » July 6th, 2010, 7:07 pm

cut holes in anything non structural??

by **iCER** » July 6th, 2010, 7:12 pm

use triangle wheels not circular?

by **NUT347** » July 6th, 2010, 7:45 pm

iCER wrote:use triangle wheels not circular?

Pfft you idiot, that won't work.

Rectangles.

FFS.

by **iCER** » July 7th, 2010, 12:05 am

my bad

by **[Sterling]** » July 7th, 2010, 8:05 am

Oblong.

Just wanted to say it.

by **_JP_** » July 8th, 2010, 8:28 pm

i could run tens by cutting a hole in my floor and pushing my car with my feet like fred flinstone

by **justa6** » September 14th, 2010, 8:32 pm

you've probably seen it but thought i'd throw it up. bloody quick for 410rwhp

by **misk** » September 14th, 2010, 8:49 pm

thats like Einsteins formula for everything printed on one page.
if you still need help figuring out why a falcon with forged engine, GT35 and a proper ecu and driveline runs 10s, perhaps stop thinking your going to build a car

by **needfordspeed** » September 14th, 2010, 11:18 pm

That's awesome, wish we had more falcons like that around. Which magazine is that in? Any chance of a scan of the whole article if it's not a current issue?

by **NUT347** » September 14th, 2010, 11:19 pm

justa6, put some slicks on your ute and do a 10 already!!

by **EF ECTIV** » September 14th, 2010, 11:42 pm

It'd be in street fords... street commodores did a similar thing too...

by **iCER** » September 15th, 2010, 12:57 am

410rwhp is about 300rwkw.

EA/EB is light. Full slicks + transbrake + proper 1.6x 60" will run a 10 every time.

Look at VLs. 325rwkw will get you a flat 10/high 9 with full slicks and transbrake. Those cars are all light. like 1200-1400kg. Not like these new fords at 1800+kgs ;(

by **Hiboost** » September 15th, 2010, 12:59 am

iCER wrote:410rwhp is about 300rwkw.

EA/EB is light. Full slicks + transbrake + proper 1.6x 60" will run a 10 every time.

Look at VLs. 325rwkw will get you a flat 10/high 9 with full slicks and transbrake. Those cars are all light. like 1200-1400kg. Not like these new fords at 1800+kgs ;(

lol no way 325 will get u a 10/high 9 on a VL. you need 370-400rwk to get 10.1-9.9.

by **justa6** » September 15th, 2010, 5:47 am

it's an old mag and there isn't much else on the car, it's just a 10sec street car section. i don't think a transbrake is a must. dave sheehy has run well into the 9's without one. not saying it wouldn't make it alot easier and more consistent. harder on driveline though.

tell me about it josh but it won't be happening this year. getting pretty busy with work now, had one day off in a month and it stay's like this till christmas.

engine bay of that car.

by **NUT347** » September 15th, 2010, 1:06 pm

Ok I normally wouldn't do this mate, but I'll run your car for ya :-P

by **TUFED6** » September 15th, 2010, 1:48 pm

LOL at daily driven 10sec BA's. Did iCER run a 10 yet? Sounds pretty easy he's probably into the 9's by now right? People like to claim 'daily driven' but theres ALWAYS way more to the story than that.

The thing that people forget about is E-series Falcons are OLD. No way will a stock engine thats already done 200k km's cop the tune required to make decent power. BA+ Falcons have the advantage of not being completely fucked by the time people start tuning them.

There is no recipe for building a 10 second car. You can focus on different areas and get the same result. People like to focus on how much power you need to run the times, when really thats only part of the story. The driveline and suspension are equally important. Thats why you see some high power cars run shit times and some low power cars run amazing times.

P.S. Don't bother quoting power figures with an auto car, depending on how tight the converter is the dyno can be A LONG WAY out...

by **iCER** » September 15th, 2010, 2:55 pm

no tufed6 i still havnt run the 10. I ran the MPH, but the 60" let me down ;( Mind you i also now have over 400rwkw and ET streets on he car)

HiBoost. BAs need 370rwkw to run a 10. At 1800kg, and a vl at 1200kg....common mate your smart enough to do the maths.

Steel ran 9.9 with 325rwkw (on full slicks pump fuel and transbrake) few weeks back.

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDQxOwcduk

That is 280rwkw in his car and ran 10.56

If your keen on more info, just scope the calais turbo page and check all the 300rwkw VLs that have time slips.

by **TUFED6** » September 15th, 2010, 3:01 pm

TUFED6 wrote:P.S. Don't bother quoting power figures with an auto car, depending on how tight the converter is the dyno can be A LONG WAY out...

iCER wrote:400rwkw

370rwkw

325rwkw

300rwkw

by **NUT347** » September 15th, 2010, 6:24 pm

Icer "my car has 400rwkw, how did your 360rwkw car beat mine??"
:banghead:

by **misk** » September 15th, 2010, 7:10 pm

lol there is alot of shit talking going on with VLs running 10s though...
GAS747 ran a mid 10 with 280rwkw back in the day, but there are otheres with '350rwkw' that cant match it?
my cock is 7" long, would you like to touch it?

by **NUT347** » September 15th, 2010, 7:43 pm

Only 7inch?

by **Rollin** » September 15th, 2010, 8:06 pm

Mine is only 6

Oh hang on, we're taking 'around' aren't we?

by **NUT347** » September 15th, 2010, 10:29 pm

Yes we are talking around.

But myself and misk are talking inches Dan, not millimeters.

by **misk** » September 16th, 2010, 12:05 am

loll
the EB in that article is a pretty fkn square example of a good setup though.
would be interesting to see the difference just changing the box makes

by **iCER** » September 16th, 2010, 12:45 am

unfortunately for me my big convertor is really loose. Hence my car is a slug and only ran 11.7 ;( fml. maybe with 400rwkw now in my 1800kg tank i might get 11.5!

should put this motor and auto in the EB. Now that would be awesome!
they both 4l i6!

anyone put ba-fg motor in a nice light EA/EB? They only weight like 1300. put 400rwkw in it and geez....can still be a daily car running 8-9s

Go on Hiboost. you know you want to do it.

by **NUT347** » September 16th, 2010, 8:25 am

Eas are 1450kg. By the time you add turbo gear, cooler etc its going to be 1600ishkg.

by **iCER** » September 16th, 2010, 6:18 pm

i wish my BA was 1600 with all gear added

BOATS FTL

by **NUT347** » September 16th, 2010, 11:49 pm

iCER wrote:i wish my BA was 1600 with all gear added BOATS FTL

Why Would you chase more power if you already can't even get it off the line??

by **Rollin** » September 17th, 2010, 12:26 am

If anything I would have thought a bigger converter would help it get off the line if it's such a slug? Maybe you just need to practice...

by **iCER** » September 17th, 2010, 5:19 pm

nah problem was my tires. I now run 275/45/17 MT ET Streets. So ill be chasing the 1.6x 60" now. Tried the Nitto nt05 semi slicks but just wasnt gonna happen.

by **Rollin** » September 17th, 2010, 5:58 pm

Man I dunno hey.

I ran 12.3@114.7 with 400rwhp, manual, 235/45/17 street tyres (bridegestone somethingorothers) with 3.27 diff gears and rock hard lowered suspension...was doing 1.8 sec 60s.

How about you just go a few more times and practice heaps, you'll prob drop a fair wack of time just learning how to get the car off the line most efficiently.

As NUT said, if you're already having traction problems, why the hell are you adding more HP?

by **iCER** » September 17th, 2010, 6:05 pm

was 1st time i was at the drags in that car. Just practice is needed and proper burnouts at the start. Only had 3 runs. Had burnout problems each time. 1st TC was on, 2nd i swear i was doing a burnout but i wasnt. 3rd one where i ran 11.7 @ 126 i only done a tiny burnout and got 2.11 60" and car had rev limiter on 5900 which has been pushed to 6600 (3rd gear) as last 50-80m i was bouncing cause Im not meant to change to 4th (fries kevlar band in auto). Mind you thats ~230km/h which is parachute territory. Now with an extra 50rwkw...god knows. As long as it dont break im happy.

I just need a clean pass thats all.

practice makes perfect. Car has a 10.4-10.6 in it. Just up to the driver(me) + practice. F*ck calder though. Im going heathcote next time so i can have 10+ runs. none of this wait 1 hour per run crap. BA owners doing 10.8x- 10.9x with 126.

by **justa6** » September 17th, 2010, 8:01 pm

yeah sound's like you need to just go out somewhere and use to the your car and the sound of it with a helmet on.

by **NUT347** » September 17th, 2010, 9:33 pm

So you've got phoon rods with 400rwkw reving it to 6600??

Lol say goodnight to your engine.

by **iCER** » September 17th, 2010, 10:09 pm

bf 07 f6 rods are good for 400rwkw with the right tune. People running 550+rwkw with these rods. I wouldnt drive nor thrash my car with an untuned motor

EVER. And i only rev it to 6600 in 3rd when at the drags once a blue moon. Once I have a good run with a 1.6x 60" i wont go again. 1st i change about 5k and 2nd i change 5750.

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