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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby NUT347 » April 23rd, 2014, 11:08 am : nothin suss Likes this post

Why not just rip the gas out and run it on petty?

How much is the SVi conversion? You would have to do a lot of kms to make it worth it IMO.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 23rd, 2014, 1:42 pm

I did also consider ripping the gas off as well bloke, but kinda like only paying $40 for a tank! Plus the thing has just ticked over 270k on the odo, which means its up for another service already. More importantly, it means I have clocked up 12,000kms in almost exactly 5 months. So if I keep going at this rate, that's what, just under 30k a year? The SVi is $2200, and the difference is $60 a fill. If I can get the same economy out of SVi as I would PULP, I'm pretty sure I should make the cost back in about a year!

Edit: Oh, and even if I don't get a company car, my boss still has to pay me per km for work trips, which is an extra 0.72c per km.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Adumb » April 23rd, 2014, 3:10 pm

Spotted this beast on the Westgate today, very clean!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 23rd, 2014, 3:32 pm

Thanks Adam! That was you in the silver Ghia with 18" Rebels on it?! Yours looks heaps cleaner, mine is filthy at the moment! Early start too hey! I believe I purchased your suspension setup off your EL for the grandpa EL I had? That was a few cars ago! You got a thread on your AU? Looks nice with the kit and wheels!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby nothin suss » April 23rd, 2014, 5:45 pm

ClassicAU wrote:- All B-series Falcons can suck a fat dick


Ha ha you really do have a hatred for them after that bad experience hey?
Touch wood I've had only one drama between both my BF's in the past 2 years.
And both my cars have over 200k on them.

You're right tho. You've got the best AU model.
Pity you need the LPG savings weekly.

When LPG is above 80c I drive my Fairlane instead.
It works out the same $$/100klm as the Fairlane.
Oh that's right. You hate ZF's!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 24th, 2014, 8:44 am

There is just nothing inspiring about the B series. The interiors are shit, the build quailty is shit, and the **** up with the cooling of the ZF is just not worth the risk to me. You're right Danny, that BF burnt me hard! So I'd rather skip the B all together and wait till I can afford an FG.

I still may rip the gas off completely, haven't made up my mind just yet. I wan't to see how it goes on pulp for the next few weeks. If it gets over 400kms to a tank, then SVi might not be worth it. I'll see how I feel when the booking time comes around.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby nothin suss » April 24th, 2014, 9:06 am

The trans is cooled exactly the same in the FG.
Make sure you get a manual!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Sunboost » April 24th, 2014, 11:40 am

ClassicAU wrote:There is just nothing inspiring about the B series. The interiors are shit, the build quailty is shit, and the **** up with the cooling of the ZF is just not worth the risk to me. You're right Danny, that BF burnt me hard! So I'd rather skip the B all together and wait till I can afford an FG.

Ease up. There's a difference between build quality and general aging of a car. I think you are getting mixed up. The BA's had some design faults, but so does the FG and so did the AU. As for the interiors, they are coming up to 12 years since production started and maybe 14 years since the design was signed off. I think they've only just started showing their age, which is a good effort.

The ZF milkshake problems still exist in the FG.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 24th, 2014, 12:11 pm

Haha! I had a feeling you’d jump in on the defence of the B Sunny! Maybe I shouldn’t have generalised so much, it’s more of a personal preference. They might be holding up better than expected, but to me the materials and general interior feel seems cheaper than even the AU, and especially the FG.
I do understand there is still cooling system issues with the ZF in FG also, which is why I would put an external trans cooler on one the second I bought it. This would also fix a B-series, I know, but they just don’t interest me enough to bother.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EFFalcon » April 24th, 2014, 12:13 pm

out of interest Ev, whats your experience with B-Series model wise.
obviously you had the XT.

have you had/tried anything a bit more upspec?
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 24th, 2014, 12:22 pm

I have actually John. One of my best mates had a BA Fairmont Ghia for about three years while I was living with him. So I used to ride in that a lot, and it just didn't feel as special. I compared this to my dad's AU Series 3 Ghia, and that was a much nicer place to sit.
I also looked at BF MkII Ghia's before I bought that XT, and despite looking awesome on the outside, I just wasn't blown away. The whole dash just doesn't feel as nice as an AU. I've never been a fan of leather anyway, but the B-series Ghia seats felt no where near as comfortable to me compated to the AU. Even the B series Fairlanes don't look anywhere near as nice to me compared to an AU counterpart.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Commando » April 24th, 2014, 12:44 pm

Since you've mentioned your XR8 is on 270k... It'll be over the 300k mark before the SVI pays itself off compared to petrol. IE you're behind the 8-ball all that time. Will you still have the car in over a year's time?

What needs fixing with the mixer system to get it working right? Is it just the backfiring that's the issue? Can you live with the underpowered setup? The gas system is meant to save money after all.

Another factor to consider with the SVI upgrade is the next time the Powers-That-Be up the price of gas, it'll stretch out your payback period. What if gas jumped to $1/L next spring and you end up "breaking even" vs driving on petrol after 330k?

I think you really need to decide what you want with the AU:

1. Moar power?
2. Save coin, power no issue?
3. Fancypants SVI system for sake of having SVI?
4. Keep for x years? Until taxi kms?

What does it come down to Ev?

Also not all B-Series are bad, mine's approaching taxi kms & it hasn't had any serious issues. Yet.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby nothin suss » April 24th, 2014, 1:02 pm

BA Fairmont Ghia interiors were pretty average feeling. Especially with the grey leather.
BF2 Ghia is the place to be. I wouldn't buy one as a daily but the two tone cream and black interior looks great. I have no idea how you rate them worse (especially the dash and seats) than an AU?

I've never owned an AU but worked on 100's during my apprenticeship. Good car but I just couldn't live with that interior.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 24th, 2014, 2:22 pm

Some very interesting point you make there Dave! The motor is already starting to get tired, and will only get worse with ware. Which also means economy is only going to get worse, not helping my return on the svi.

I am not sure what needs to get the mixer system running again, but I am absolutely not interested in spending money on that anyway. The only things that piss me off about this car are related to that system. Poor drivability, lack of power, and backfiring.

No idea how long I will have the car, you know what I am like! How likely is it that the price of gas will go up that much?

Here is another option I have available to me, just to confuse things even more. I spoke to old mate Carl the Tickford man, and he just so happens to have a mint 220 motor out of a wrecked series 2 Rebel, full service history and only 115k on it! He is willing to swap this out with mine, and has quoted me the same money as it would cost me to get svi.

So I guess I now have to decide, fresh motor or svi? I mean, both will yield what I am after most, more power, better drivability, better economy and most importantly no backfire! Just need to decide which I should go? Gas is cheaper, but my current motor is getting on. Decisions!!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Sunboost » April 24th, 2014, 3:00 pm : dylby1 Likes this post

You're a lost cause Ev.

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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby nothin suss » April 24th, 2014, 3:15 pm : EBOOST Likes this post

It sounds like you need to lash out on a low klm example of anything fuel efficient, service it and keep it stock. And get a thrash car for weekends.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 24th, 2014, 3:24 pm

Haha, I've always been a lost cause! It's slow at work this arvo, I'm enjoying the entertainment!

Bah, I'm probably just better off leaving it exactly as it is, and driving it around on petrol till the boss eventually gives me an answer! Problem solved! :lol:
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Commando » April 24th, 2014, 5:24 pm

I am not sure what needs to get the mixer system running again, but I am absolutely not interested in spending money on that anyway. The only things that piss me off about this car are related to that system. Poor drivability, lack of power, and backfiring.

No idea how long I will have the car, you know what I am like! How likely is it that the price of gas will go up that much?


If you want to keep saving money on gas, at least spend a bit of coin having the mixer system LOOKED at to see what you're up for $-wise or performance-wise to get it up to scratch.

But going by the latter point quoted, just leave the mixer off & drive on petrol, with the dead gas system just sitting in the boot (run the gas to empty first to reduce dead weight being carried around). How likely will gas go up? Every spring-summer it jumps up (last year by ridonc %), then every autumn-winter it drops down again, but it's always more than what it was the previous year. Going by this year alone I'm assuming it'll break thru $1 next summer, then drop to 75-90c by this time next year. But that's as accurate and reliable as a 6 month weather forecast.

Bah, I'm probably just better off leaving it exactly as it is, and driving it around on petrol till the boss eventually gives me an answer! Problem solved!


^^^ THIS IS ONE OF TWO GOOD DECISIONS (the other being getting the mixer system right, pending $ & future kms). The SVI sounded like a bad call, and the motor swap idea is entering full retard mode. Holy shit, my motor's probably a little tired too given the kms & backyard servicing, but I'm not going to swap it for a low km 4.0, nofukenway!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 24th, 2014, 5:35 pm

LOL!! Dave! Yep, I wen’t full-tard! New motor was just an idea, thought I would throw it out there!

I’ve already had the current gas system looked at. The dude adjusted it, and it was fine for a few weeks, but then just got down syndrome again as soon as the next backfire happened. I don’t like having to switch to petrol every time I want to overtake or nip into a gap in traffic, or even just merge onto the freeway. Defeats the purpose of having gas on there at all to me.

I should at least see how much further I can get on a tank of pulp in normal driving before doing anything hey!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EBOOST » April 24th, 2014, 7:03 pm

How many k do you get out of the 60l gas?
I get 400k out of mine as it sits full round town driving, before cam I'd get 450-500 and I got 680ish to portland and back.
what type of driving do you do?

Also how are you coming up with the theory that you're engine is getting tired?
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EFFalcon » April 24th, 2014, 8:09 pm : galapogos01 Likes this post

don't change engine. waste of time.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby nstg8a » April 24th, 2014, 9:06 pm

I reckon my au lane is a much nice place to suit compared to my fg.

Fg looks nicer but just feels uber cheap.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby NUT347 » April 24th, 2014, 11:49 pm

I've had experience with the below

AU2 xr8= shit door trims that rub on my knee, super light gay steering that can be easily over corrected and slowwww

FG xr50t=fast, but felt cheap, gearbox rattled worse then a road ranger, steering wheel felt too low and off to one side, crappy clutch setup and soooooo many warranty problems.

BA MK2 T: smooth, quiet and nice heavy steering, smoother over bumps then the FG and AU, less road noise then the FG and a much smoother more drivable gearbox.

(IMO)

Anyway, STOP fucking around man, seriously, you get a car, procrastinate to the absolute fvck out of the situation and start playing your mind against it.

The car is fine, just leave it.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby nothin suss » April 25th, 2014, 1:51 pm

Get a 2005 Kia Cerato.
I serviced one recently.
Hasn't been touched since timing belt at 90k
Had 165k and only needed a flush, brakes, a bulb and service.
Due for tyres soon.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 26th, 2014, 11:05 am

Ok, so, the gas tank I have in this car is actually pretty small. It only takes 50L max, and the most expensive it has been to fill so far since I've owned it is $47 in the summer when gas was up near 90c. At the moment it costs me $40. That yields anywhere from 250kms, if I have been in heavy traffic for a few days, to 350kms if I have had a couple of trips up the freeway. I haven't gotten through this full tank of pulp yet, I'll see how it goes this week with work.

The only reason I said that I felt like my current motor is showing signs of fatigue, was because I compared it to one of my brothers cars. He has an 02 Series 3 220 manual with less than 130ks on the clock. It still has standard headers and cats, but the exact same exhaust system as mine as we both had it done at the same shop. His feels noticeably sprightlier than mine. The difference isn't mind blowing, but I'd say his feels nicer down low. Then again, he isn't carting around a gas tank and a massive sub and box like I am! :lol:
So yeah, to be perfectly honest, his car was the main inspiration for considering an engine swap. But as everyone has clearly suggested, that is obviously a retarded idea. I am pretty good at coming up with those!

Anyway, I still feel like SVi isn't completely out of the question. I am pretty confident it will be cheaper to run than running pulp only. My numbers are based on a saving of $50 a week say gas is $45 a week, versus pulp being $95 a week. If I get the same mileage out of both, which I should with svi, then I have made back the cost of the conversion in less than 12 months. Which means, the only real decision I have is, am I happy to keep this car for at least the next year?
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EBOOST » April 26th, 2014, 11:56 am

More like are you willing to keep it for more than 2 years, you don't want to just make your money back you want to SAVE money, you will not get the same economy on any gas system as petrol imo.

please for the sake of jw gas cancel the appointment until you have decided, small businesses run off work booked in, svi system on a 5l would be one person out for a full day at a guess so you cancel the day before is a full days job lost for his business.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 26th, 2014, 12:20 pm

Sorry dude, you would know this more than anyone. I will call first thing Monday morning to cancel. That's still a week in advance.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EBOOST » April 26th, 2014, 1:11 pm : NUT347 Likes this post

Yeah don't make it to much more than a weeks notice, sorry if it sounds like me being an asshole but that sort of stuff can put a small business behind a fair bit.

Alot to think about but biggest thing is how long do you see yourself keeping it.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby galapogos01 » April 26th, 2014, 2:13 pm

+1 for getting the mixer fixed and living with it. SVI is a waste of cash unless you're keeping it for AGES, and you turn over cars like undies.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 28th, 2014, 8:23 am

Nope, mixer system can suck a fat one, will not have a dollar more spent on it. I have left it as it is without the mixer thing, and have closed the shut off valve on the tank in the boot. I’ll just drive it on petrol until I eventually get an answer from my boss, which will probably be never, so petrol it shall stay!
It’s slow as balls (my best mates manual VS V6 ute walks me every time) but at least it sounds awesome, and I don’t have to worry about backfiring when in traffic or overtaking anymore. Plus I got it detailed over the weekend, so it’s looking nice again! :cool:
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby hokko » April 28th, 2014, 5:57 pm

Work out why is it so slow? Would have thought a Manual 220kw au should it eat a vs v6? Especialy with the mixer ring removed.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EBOOST » April 28th, 2014, 10:20 pm

Doesn't feel that slow to me.
picks up speed decent for a stocker with 270k on it.
some cars may feel faster to drive but are not so ev should race his mate haha
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 29th, 2014, 8:46 am

Admittedly, I am yet to race my mate in his VS since I have removed the mixer ring restriction off the tb. But he drives mine all the time and recons his feels quicker. Although, I must say my car does feel a little faster from the passenger seat! :lol: I recon a better cold air intake and a tune would wake her up a bit.
I think I am just complaining for the sake of complaining (me do that?) and expecting a little too much out of a wheezer. It's fine, there is nothing wrong with this car, I just miss the red baron! :(

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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby EFFalcon » April 29th, 2014, 8:57 am

take it to heathcote and see what its actually running.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby galapogos01 » April 29th, 2014, 9:26 am

Removing the tank/system will save weight - faster & better economy.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 29th, 2014, 11:19 am

I have considered this, but I don't know if I want to rip it all out just yet. I feel like it makes the car more attractive to sell despite it not functioning, if my boss does come to the party with a replacement. Not many of these things around with gas, although on the other hand there is probably a reason for that! :P
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Petrie » April 29th, 2014, 11:46 am

That whole 30kg's you'll save taking the system out

Where are you located ev? S.e burbs? If it's got a fuel control valve on the system I'll be more than happy to have a look at it for ya.
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 29th, 2014, 12:33 pm

Does the tank weigh less than 30kg? I would have thought it would be much heavier than that? If that is the case, then it is definitely not worth ripping out! I’d be better off ripping out my sub/box combo!

Thank’s heaps for the offer mate, but I am on the complete opposite side of town. West side yo!
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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby Petrie » April 29th, 2014, 12:36 pm

ClassicAU wrote:Does the tank weigh less than 30kg? I would have thought it would be much heavier than that? If that is the case, then it is definitely not worth ripping out! I’d be better off ripping out my sub/box combo!

Thank’s heaps for the offer mate, but I am on the complete opposite side of town. West side yo!


Yeah when it's empty. Roughly 20-30kg haha

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Re: Ev's LPG XR8

Postby ClassicAU » April 30th, 2014, 9:00 pm

This is why I think my car is slow! Watching this video makes me want to do something stupid! :?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkqJ_jjxkXU
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