E-Series wub V's Import thud

[Nikk O'lass]

As some may know, my car got wacked, and i got payed for it.

Originaly my plan was to turn it into a turbo GL-i, but over the past few weeks i've been tempted by 180sx's!

Very hard decsion, i feel some sort of 'connection to may car(prolly cause its my first), im realy stuck, i love the E-series (EA-D) shape . as much as i like the sleek nissan, and Sr20's haul arse, but so would a turbo 4L...

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/friday night whinge!

[Commando]

cointoss.

[G3R3N]

"Unique turbo e-series driver vs. typical 180sx driver" is more suited as a name for your thread

[private9]

Go drive a few and see what you think. Personally, if I didn't need a back seat, or to tow shit, there's no way in hell I woulda sold my 180.

Borrowed my cousins S15 for a few days last week, and while it was a really nice handler, it was just sooo slow, even with a few mods. Turbo 4l wins there!

[Rollin]

I agree with private9 - My ex has an S15, it is pretty impressive in that it handles and stops well (for a stock car) and the stock BOV makes cool noises through the pod, but it cost like 24k!!! And the only mod is a pod filter and gay blue interior light that the last owner put in.

For 24k you can buy an e-series, put in a lokka, 6 speed, twin plate and a big bloody turbo setup, probably with change for wheels and suspension...and then for the money you spend on getting the S15 into the 13s you could get some nice big brakes up front too.

So that's low 12s with a manual, or 11s with an auto (which you could get fully rebuilt and kitted for the cost of a 6 speed conversion and twin plate and have change left over) in a car that goes and stops well too.

Enter $4k for a full rebuild on the 4 litre (which I think gets you about half a rebuilt SR20?) and do 10z bro. Sick.

I guess it really just depends on what you want though - you'll never get a falcon to turn corners as well as a 180 mod for mod, but in a straight line, with twice the capacity and a tuff base engine teh Falc is teh pwnage.

[needfordspeed]

They're pretty cool cars, just have a drive of one and see how you like it, i've driven a S14 with cooler/exahaust and it didn't really do much for me unless you planted it.

[AaronEF8]

It's not like Falcons are bad handlers with the right mods, IE more than king springs. Cornering speed is a lot more dependant on driver ability than the car anyway.

With a Nissan (or any imported car) the days of going to the wrecker for some basic stuff or reading the factory manual are gone unless you can read Japanese.

I've thought about it (Falcon v Skyline v Silvia/180) a lot in the past, there's just too many good points to the Falcon, and the negatives are all minor that can be fixed.

[SLY347]

SR's are truck motors....They sound like truck motors, they act like truck motors and they break.
If your going to get an import get something with an RB in it at least or 1JZ.

[Commando]

I just can't picture an SR-powered pickup truck

[AaronEF8]

SR converted Datsun 1200 ute?

[Commando]

I was trying to picture an F650 "powered" by an SR20

[burnt turtle]

i know that wen i slammed my car and went on a cruise with a GTS-T stocka mine was out cornering it.
id say depends on whether or not you want the back seats/doors and the looks aswell as all the other stuff thats been sed in this thread.

[Commando]

What was your suspension setup?

[burnt turtle]

king spring sl all round with lower seat hieght on struts with good tyres. nothing special.
than again it could have just been poor quality driving by him.

[Commando]

probably a bit of both

[SLY347]

Good thing with imports tho is (well here in S.A), parts are easier to come by and alot easier suspenion wise (coilovers)....just every man and his dog has some form of import here.

[FRDXR6]

I agree that the turbo 4L would be a lot more fun and original BUT from reading these and other falcon fourms over the last few years, everyone who has done a turbo conversion always seems to have constant issues. Little things here and there that are always needing attention. Reliabilty and e-series turbos dont seem to work so well.

The great thing about imports is they have spent millions in R&D already on these engines so you dont get all those annoying little issues (well most of the time anyway). Then you have the 1JZ/2JZ motors in particular which can handle well over 300rwkw on a stock bottom end. Stock turbos and injectors are good for up to 260rwkw and so on. Life's so much easier with a 1JZ

I'd say if its a daily get the import. If its going to be weekend fun, then turbo the falcon.

[Steady]

Enter $4k for a full rebuild on the 4 litre (which I think gets you about half a rebuilt SR20?) and do 10z bro. Sick.

L...O...L..
Are you for real man??????
8k for a rebuilt SR20 you gotta be kidding me.
How much is a forged bottom end for a 4l?
Oh wait, you gotta get DOHC rods and then fly cut the pustons for the SOHC valves.
Yet you can get forged SR20 shit OFF THE SHELF.
I could build a fully forged sr20 bottom end for less then i would spend on getting the forged SOHC 4L pistons.
Get off the crack, get off the I love E-Series bullshit.

[Gozza]

Reliabilty and e-series turbos dont seem to work so well.

Reliablity and cheap shit kents don't work so well no matte what the car - Modifying cars more than an exhaust and some basic poof shiz will always have little niggles to iron out

[Malakai]

I hear your pain Nikk, I was planning on buying a 180 in a few weeks. I have one lined up and everything. It's modded a fair bit and has 320rwhp, would be perfect for a bit of track and drift fun. I would keep it registered to drive to and from the track. I would largely leave it the way it is but add a spool or if I could justify dropping the coin... a 2-way. May be throw a Silvia front on it if the price was right.

I'm not sure though, I might just spend the money on my EA instead. Which is probably the smarter thing to do.

[Rollin]

Enter $4k for a full rebuild on the 4 litre (which I think gets you about half a rebuilt SR20?) and do 10z bro. Sick.

L...O...L..
Are you for real man??????
8k for a rebuilt SR20 you gotta be kidding me.
How much is a forged bottom end for a 4l?
Oh wait, you gotta get DOHC rods and then fly cut the pustons for the SOHC valves.
Yet you can get forged SR20 shit OFF THE SHELF.
I could build a fully forged sr20 bottom end for less then i would spend on getting the forged SOHC 4L pistons.
Get off the crack, get off the I love E-Series bullshit.

I reckon 4k for rods, pistons, bearings, machining, head studs and a gasket kit wouldn't be out of the question, if you shopped around a bit - IIRC TUFED6 said parts for his new bottom end should be around 3k but I can't find that particular post.

SR's need a rocker stopper kit ($70 ) a cometic head gasket for them is like 4 times the price of an AU gasket, (about $220) pistons $720, rods $400, cams are about 3 times more expensive than for a 4 litre at around $600 a set, head studs are much cheaper for the SR but you would get mains studs too, so the price difference doesn't have as much of an effect, valve springs $360, which is around $2620 plus machining...so 8k is a bit much, I was talking to a guy about them a little while back and he said it cost him 8k for a SR rebuild, that prob included labour and a whole bunch of new shit - like a bigger sump, brand name oil pump, timing gears, chains etc.

If you made 500rwhp out of that you'd be happy..but she'd be a laggy SOB to drive every day.

Is this not an E-series forum? Why am I not allowed to like them? Do you think I bought one then thought "F*ck yeah, these are the best no matter what, I'm going to tell everyone that everything else is shit" or do you think I actually did a bit of reading and looked at the pro's and cons of each make and model of car available in my price range (which, incedentally, is easily enough to afford an F6, VZ clubby, S15+mods, 32 or 33 GTR etc etc etc, and decided that bang for your buck, (and just as importantly, ergonomics, ease of servicing and modifications) e-series was the best thing out there that fit my requirements?

Shove your F6 up your ass you fuckwit. I'm not an e-series fan looking for excuses to like them, I found reasons to like them and then became a fan.

[Sunboost]

Shove your F6 up your ass you fuckwit. I'm not an e-series fan looking for excuses to like them, I found reasons to like them and then became a fan.

Oh snap.

[wicksy]

[EL XR8]

Shove your F6 up your ass you fuckwit. I'm not an e-series fan looking for excuses to like them, I found reasons to like them and then became a fan.

Oh snap.

HAHA, on the money there Sunny!


I think what Steady is trying to say, is... He thinks your head is so far up a 4 Litres arse, you can't see anything else for their own merits. It doesn't matter if its i6 vs V8, i6 vs 2JZ or i6 vs SR20. Nothing seems to hold a candle to your beloved 4L's.

Its fine to like the motor or car you own or drive. But seriously, have some perspective, or people wont hold anything you say with any credibility, because its always so biased.

[Gozza]

Biased opinion - ?

"Rollin"
I agree with private9 - My ex has an S15, it is pretty impressive in that it handles and stops well (for a stock car)"


You obviously don't read or have a brain to think - Let people have their opinions - if you don't like it hold your penis and grab a tissue -

[EL XR8]

...and i'm the one who can't read.

Did you not read my post that your bum buddy wont believe any "MOTOR" will come near a 4L.
Or did i say, EDi6 vs EL XR8(etc), EDi6 vs Supra(etc) or EDi6 vs S15(etc)

So i quite happily say, LOL you dickhead.
It seems as though you look like the wanker, not me.

..and while you're on your little 2 year tyriad. WTF was it i just said before that got your knickers in a knot. As far as i 'can read' and 'understand' with my obviously feeble insuperior brain. That was an opinion of mine. So stop contradicting yourself and **** off somewhere else, cause you've obviously got nothing intelligent to say...

[EL XR8]

...and i'm the one who can't read.

Did you not read my post that your bum buddy wont believe any "MOTOR" will come near a 4L.
Or did i say, EDi6 vs EL XR8(etc), EDi6 vs Supra(etc) or EDi6 vs S15(etc)

So i quite happily say, LOL you dickhead.
It seems as though you look like the wanker, not me.

[Gozza]

Im the dickhead? i had no interest in this thread untill idiots thought that it would be cool to take a penis out of their mouth for 5 seconds - and use the time which would problaby be best spent inhaling oxegen, exhaling dribble - wait -....it makes sense now

[serial_fool]

I do believe this is the E SERIES forums, if we wanted to talk up the jap cars/engines we would be on another site.....I wouldn't think any of the ricer forums would be talking up their opposition's car/ engine.

[Rollin]

I think what Steady is trying to say, is... He thinks your head is so far up a 4 Litres arse, you can't see anything else for their own merits. It doesn't matter if its i6 vs V8, i6 vs 2JZ or i6 vs SR20. Nothing seems to hold a candle to your beloved 4L's.

Its fine to like the motor or car you own or drive. But seriously, have some perspective, or people wont hold anything you say with any credibility, because its always so biased.

I'm not an e-series fan looking for excuses to like them, I found reasons to like them and then became a fan.

Poor spelling: Check.
Poor sentence structure: Check.
Poor reading and comprehension: Check.
Double posting with poor editing skills: Check.
Time to STFU: Check.

[old_mate]

lol @ FG GT being epic fail, thats a big call!

[Steady]

I reckon 4k for rods, pistons, bearings, machining, head studs and a gasket kit wouldn't be out of the question, if you shopped around a bit - IIRC TUFED6 said parts for his new bottom end should be around 3k but I can't find that particular post.

SR's need a rocker stopper kit ($70 ) a cometic head gasket for them is like 4 times the price of an AU gasket, (about $220) pistons $720, rods $400, cams are about 3 times more expensive than for a 4 litre at around $600 a set, head studs are much cheaper for the SR but you would get mains studs too, so the price difference doesn't have as much of an effect, valve springs $360, which is around $2620 plus machining...so 8k is a bit much, I was talking to a guy about them a little while back and he said it cost him 8k for a SR rebuild, that prob included labour and a whole bunch of new shit - like a bigger sump, brand name oil pump, timing gears, chains etc.

If you made 500rwhp out of that you'd be happy..but she'd be a laggy SOB to drive every day.

Is this not an E-series forum? Why am I not allowed to like them? Do you think I bought one then thought "F*ck yeah, these are the best no matter what, I'm going to tell everyone that everything else is shit" or do you think I actually did a bit of reading and looked at the pro's and cons of each make and model of car available in my price range (which, incedentally, is easily enough to afford an F6, VZ clubby, S15+mods, 32 or 33 GTR etc etc etc, and decided that bang for your buck, (and just as importantly, ergonomics, ease of servicing and modifications) e-series was the best thing out there that fit my requirements?

Shove your F6 up your ass you fuckwit. I'm not an e-series fan looking for excuses to like them, I found reasons to like them and then became a fan.

I couldn't give a fck for your love of E-Series, or what you can and can't afford on dealer mechanics wages.
Just don't speak bullshit like built SR20s costing twice as much as a built 4L, it makes you look(?) like an idiot.
You'll notice in that post I never called E-Series crap, so relax guy, I'm not dissing the beloved E-Series, just your intelligence.
Take a chill pill, build a bridge, get a dose up ya.

You should be thanking me anyway, I'm the only one thats calling you out on your bullsht cause everyone else is too busy trying to kiss your arse.

[Sunboost]

Leave the FG out of this

[pHaT`eL]

Time to calm down me thinks. I love my E-Series, but given a chance id be in an BA/BF/FG at the drop of a hat.

Many moons ago I thought about doing the import thing, test drove a couple of Skylines (32 GTST, 33 GTST) Both were far superior to anything id driven previously. Also took the time to have a fang in a couple of BA's (newish at the time) and the XR6T took my heart.

As said before, if your after something you can modify with stuff off the shelf, go the 180, honestly, you have such a massive range of shit you can choose from, not fair really, lol! With an E-Series, theres a minimal amount of off the shelf stuff, and most of it aint cheap.

[Dansedgli]

TUFED6 has done both. It would be nice if he replied with his thoughts on this matter.

I dont think his SR motor cost him much.

If I had to choose I know which way I would go. I would buy a train which I could also afford.

[Sunboost]

I agree that the turbo 4L would be a lot more fun and original BUT from reading these and other falcon fourms over the last few years, everyone who has done a turbo conversion always seems to have constant issues. Little things here and there that are always needing attention. Reliabilty and e-series turbos dont seem to work so well.

I agree, A++++.

E-Series turbos aren't as easy and as good a idea as most people think. Jap cars are probably worth it, along with any other GOOD factory turbo car with decent aftermarket support (XR6 Turbos etc. etc.) because they are built from the factory with the turbo setup, so a lot of the engineering has been put in by a proper designers and engineers and not mohammed's backyard turbo designz.

The reliability and E-Series turbo thing is 100% correct. E-Series turbos are a never ending headache, from failing drivelines to defects and EPA notices. If I was 19 again I would spray the EA, do NA mods and put it on gas and save the rest of the cash. I don't regret spraying it and other stuff, but the turbo build was a bit of an excessive decision on my part because I really didn't have the funds to do it properly, and now that I do have the funds I don't want to do it again because it's just a waste - not that it didn't turn out half decent anyways (I achieved MY goals.. except a 13... yet )

Factory turbo = buy and forget.
E-Series turbo = build and regret.

[EFFalcon]

CON: Import = cop attention
1.5 years in a turbo'd eseries as a daily driver i'm more then happy with my decision to turbo.

its all a matter of weighing up originality/cost/reliability/performance

so far i've got originality on my side, cost is deffinately by my side, reliability certainly aint bad, bad choice of 2nd hand motor was probably my down fall, but it lasted a year and was still going when removed.
performance isnt anything exciting when compared to a lot of turbo'd falcons out there, but a low 14 second daily is fun

I'd love an FG G6ET, but can't justify $50k on a car.
spending $1000 here and there on making my car my own is much more rewarding.

but hey, i'm not like a lot of people who plan on selling their cars in 6months time.

losing $25k over a 3 year period is more of a headache then fixing niggling car issues.

[pHaT`eL]

Thats also a good point, in the end its really up to you.

[Sunboost]

John, the cops will catch up with you one day! GL with getting ur thing RW

I didn't even drive mine in forever and I got fukked over.

Import doesn't necessarily mean cop attention as you say, it just depends how much the car stands out in a crowd of shit cars. I bet yours would stand out a lot more than any of my mates' imports, most of them are just lowered on standard wheels with all the mods being underneath the bonnet. Most of them manage to drive their cars daily and stay out of trouble too.

[EFFalcon]

i'm sure they will..
at i'll take it as it comes.

import = more cop attention.
just like commodore = more cop attention
or P plater = more cop attention

mildly modded falcon next to a mildy modified import, majority of the time the import would get grabbed first.
i'm not saying i'm bullet proof coz i drive a falcon, but we are the minority.

There are plenty of imports i'd gladly own.
but at the end of the day it all comes down to what you want from a car.