Nath's EL GLi... Now Turbo

[freerider]

yeh when i get my licence back im planing on goin down to swan hill, know a couple of boys through trade school from that way now so ill go catch up with them

Wouldnt happen to know the bloke with the blue VZ on its arse on 19's would ya?

sky blue vz ssz in midura? is that the one your talkin bout?

[nath]

yeh when i get my licence back im planing on goin down to swan hill, know a couple of boys through trade school from that way now so ill go catch up with them

Wouldnt happen to know the bloke with the blue VZ on its arse on 19's would ya?

haha yes, if you mean batty that is? hes one of the fellas im gunna come up and see haha, whys that?

[freerider]

havin a bit of trouble getting that head off man lol already bent a king chrome spanner.. ill give ya a buzz when i get it off lol.
dont want an ef xr6 tailshaft do ya? sell it to ya cheap

[nath]

haha is all good man im in no rush for it, if ya need a hand give me a bell n ill come take it off for ya if your haven real trouble haha how much is it one of the alloy ones?

[webby_191189]

yeh when i get my licence back im planing on goin down to swan hill, know a couple of boys through trade school from that way now so ill go catch up with them

Wouldnt happen to know the bloke with the blue VZ on its arse on 19's would ya?

haha yes, if you mean batty that is? hes one of the fellas im gunna come up and see haha, whys that?

hahah yeah batty, great mates with the kid lol. Me and him went to mildura saturday to take a mates car to dons autoshop

[nath]

hahaaha nicee yeah me and batty we run a muck at tradeskewl haha, what car did you bring up to dons?

Took it in to AAS today to get a j3 chip and tune sorted out so when i get it back it should be running all sweet, told him if anything else needs to be done to get it running right to go ahead and do it... seen sexyr6's ED there, first time ive really seen it up close and geez it looks the goods, cant wait to see it in action... anyway ill have an update as soon as i get it back

[sexyr6]

cheers man, gunna go see mick tomorrow, hopefully he's finished mine

[webby_191189]

Brought up a mates VR commo. The things an absolute machine for a 6 haha

[nath]

haha nice, well only update is today i went down to see how mick was goin with getting it running better, replaced fuel reg with a 6:1 and put a higher heat range of plugs in it, timing is at 14 degrees and the afr is at about 14.5 on boost hes 99% sure i need higher flowing injectors thats all thats stopping me from getting the around 11.5 to 12 mark, so i am going to source some blue tops out of a magna which accroding to bosch flow 20% more, so it shouldnt be pig rich off boost either. so once i get them and get the afr sorted it can have more timing put into it

[galapogos01]

Will be easy to sort off boost fuelling with larger injectors. I'd recommend 36s, EV6 type from VT on supercharged 6 etc, I have them in my EF. 24s may not be big enough.

[nath]

yeah ill take a look into them aswell, cheers for the tip, i can probly get onto 8 magna injectors for free from work, so i can try em out if they turn out no good its no big deal.

[nath]

okay well the j3 is in and done, along with new injectors, plugs and new fuel reg its ready to be picked up and im going to get it thursday all i know for now is that it ended up with 206kw at the wheels will get all the details when i pick it up in a few days

[sexyr6]

sweet as, what injectors did you end up fitting? i'm taking mine back in next week some time, will get the head gasket finished this weekend hopefully.

[nath]

Im not sure what Mick ended up getting for me, but we were both trying to source 24lb blue tops, so most likely just a set of them

[nath]

righto, well i got it back last week and am loving it nice and torquey, had a bit of a sneaky drive out of town and all is good 100% happy with it, only thing is saturday i melted a hole in my brake booster so i have to sort that out this weekend will put the heat wrap i had sitting there on my dump pipe, what have other people done to prevent this happening do the the steel boosters of the earlyer falcons fit? And do they do the job as well as the later ones?

[galapogos01]

Great result! Make sure you add your car to our site, at http://www.tiperformance.com.au/owners_ ... er_add.php

I melted a boosted with just extractors. A good heat shield made from that ACL tin material was enough to solve it for another 4 years for me (hasn't failed yet).

[sexyr6]

how many killer wasps did you come up with?

[iCER]

according to his signature 206rwkw on 8psi and left it there.

[sexyr6]

according to his signature 206rwkw on 8psi and left it there.

oh yeah, can't see for looking.. lol

[nath]

yeah ended up with 206kw, im thinking that after i rebuild my LSD ive got to put in it, i might get a nizpro plenum mainly to neatin the engine bay up and then a wade cam possibly a 1673, vernier cam gear and a DEV5 head for it in coming months.. wishing i had of kept the cam gear off my old car now.

[nath]

oh and i forgot im getting some new brake rotors & pads that a mates dads sells, my mate had the slotted and cross drilled version in his AU and the pull up alot much better than standard, so im getting the EL evquivalant in a few weeks

[nath]

car started playing up abit latley running lean and few other things got it sussed out where i got the j3 and turned out to be a few things, exhaust gaskets blown, melted vac line and o2 wiring... got them fixed and had it chucked on the dyno to have the tune tweaked a tad, ended up with 218kw in 3rd gear, and 208.6kw in 2nd gear and 1282.7nm of torque

also had another apprentice pull the limited slip i had for it apart and all that needed was a new bearing on the pinnion, so today i pulled it right down and put a new bearing set in it, now i just have to find the time ill put it in

[sexyr6]

anymore updates nath?

[freerider]

1282 nm of torque

[nath]

Nuh no updates since i got it back.. havent really had time to do anything more on it as ive been finnishing up work in Ouyen and moving back to Mildura full time to start a new job so ive been pretty busy sorting that out latley.

The limited slip i rebuilt for is going in this sunday though, i've also been considering swapping it to manual, will be goin down the path of an aftermarket ecu at some point soon also.. just to control fuel, spark & boost so i can run 12psi... after all thats done an engine rebuild is on the cards i reckon.

[sexyr6]

yeah I'm thinking about aftermarket ECU also, but that will come after the respay..

[nommic]

1282 nm of torque

That will be torque at rear wheels.... divide by diff ratio and gear ratio to get torque at motor.

[NUT347]

1282 nm of torque

That will be torque at rear wheels.... divide by diff ratio and gear ratio to get torque at motor.

Lol your method is wrong. Your telling me my BA had 200nm of torque?

[nommic]

I'm saying this car isn't making 1282Nm at the motor. Torque at the rear wheels is dependant on the gear you're in. Try towing a caravan from a standstill in 1st, then try it in 4th. Guess which one will be more successful.

Gear ratios are used to multiply torque. Let's say this car was dyno'ed in third gear, which in a BTR is a 1.00:1 ratio, and the diff is a 3.08 ratio. 1282Nm/3.08 = 416Nm at engine.

If your dyno is configured to show torque at the engine then you don't have this problem. I was just pointing this out because the 1282Nm figure is clearly torque at the rear wheels, not at the engine.

[NUT347]

Lol fair enough.

[nath]

Right well i put this limited slip in yesterday and took it up the road for a test and its got some pretty serious vibration in there someware... im not sure what though.. the diff looks to be sitting at a weird angle like it looks to be pointing downwards a fair bit more than it should..anyone know why this would be?.. i didnt really take much notice of how the old diff sat, but this is putting the uni right before the diff at a pretty harsh angle so im kind of suspecting that.. the new diff is out of a ef futura.. but i assumed they'd be same ef futrua - el gli?

[kwikxr]

Sounds like the vibration is caused by the bad pinion angle. IIRC the rear upper trailing arms are of different lengths between EF and EL models (i think EF used the longer arms and EL used shorter arms). The EL diffs also had different mounting hole positions for where the upper arms mount to the diff, whereas the EF diffs only had one mounting position. So the shorter EL upper arms combined with the EF diff are the cause of the pinion angle. Swapping the EL upper arms out for some EF ones should fix the pinion angle

Awesome boosted EL you got BTW, love the sleeper look about it, tough!!

[nath]

yep chucked some ef trailing arms in and it fixed the problem, cheers for that i did suspect it was going to be something to do with either the holes or the arms, and you confirmed it so i got some ef arms on the way home from work and chucked em in and all was good, cheers man sleeper look ftw for sure haha

[OMY-747]

Hey man. Loving the el. You get your venitians yet? Would love to see a pic of them fitted. Thinking of getting some white ones for my ef but never seen them in a maroon car before

Matt

[nath]

yeah i have got them, they look pretty grandpa spec.. ill take some pics when i give it a wash tomorrow if you like.. i was waiting to get my old wheels back to swap tires over so i could have my 17's on all round next time i took some pics of it, but if you dont mind stockies on the back il take some tomorrow for ya

well i took it for a run tonight with a mate just went out of town and back to clock up a few k's running this diff in, and to my dissatisfaction the auto started slipping about halfway home, it wasnt really in normal driving conditions though it only happend under boost at about 3/4 throttle maybe abit more.. so im hoping i can get away with giving the gearbox a good service, just need it to get me through the test and tune coming up at our local 1/8th mile (haha i know 1/8th mile but its better than nothing) in 3 weeks then im swapping it over to a 5 speed.. other than that everythings great im really happy with the car especially with the limited slip in it now is alot better to drive.. but im not supposed to know that till i get my licence back

[OMY-747]

Yeah mate some pics would be much appreciated

By the local 1/8th mile. Are you referring to corowa?

And ofcourse you can know it's better to drive when your inthe passenger seat and your mate driving informs you

[nath]

no problem, and nuh the local 1/8th mile im reffering to is the sunset strip here in mildura, should be good just to be able to give it abit of a run.. compare it to my old eb.. wouldnt really say its going to be a "close" comparrsion, as it should run a fair bit quicker than the 9.9second 1/8th mile best of the old eb haha anyway heres the pic's for ya, excuse the filthy car it was raining all morning so just squirted it off. pics are a little big but havent had time to resize them.

[OMY-747]

I thought mildura was closer to me then what it actually is lol. My bad.

Thanks heaps mate. They look Sexy as. Ever since I got my ef I've wanted to fit white venetians just didn't want to fork out for new ones untill I could see what they looked like. Now I can have two maroon cars with white venetians

Your 1/8th mile must be a pretty good one. My vlt with the old setup on it only managed a 10.1 at wilby 1/8th mile couldn't get traction lol very shot track you get more traction on a normal road then at the wilby drags

[nath]

haha yeah i love em apart from the fact that make it abit harder to see out of the rear window, they just give the car something differant, compared to most falcons up here anyway haha.

yeah our 1/8th is okay probably wont be the best this time around since its the first test and tune of the season but owell, haha we had the doorslammers on it last year and i think there sorting out having them back for the next couple of years so that should be alright, i was quite impressed with the old eb for a $1300 car actually i started with high 10's/11's then once i sorted out my starts i was set.

[Rollin]

I'm saying this car isn't making 1282Nm at the motor. Torque at the rear wheels is dependant on the gear you're in. Try towing a caravan from a standstill in 1st, then try it in 4th. Guess which one will be more successful.

Gear ratios are used to multiply torque. Let's say this car was dyno'ed in third gear, which in a BTR is a 1.00:1 ratio, and the diff is a 3.08 ratio. 1282Nm/3.08 = 416Nm at engine.

If your dyno is configured to show torque at the engine then you don't have this problem. I was just pointing this out because the 1282Nm figure is clearly torque at the rear wheels, not at the engine.

Tyre diameter also counts - "Nm" = Newton Meter.

One Newton Meter is the force exerted upon a pivot point when 1 Newton of force (1 Newton = 100 grams) is applied at a distance of one meter - For example, to tighten a bolt to 10Nm you need to apply a force of 1 kilogram at the end of a spanner a meter long. 30Nm is 3kg at the same distance, or 6kg of force at a distance of 50cm, or 12kg at a distance of 25cm.

This is exactly why torque measured on a chassis dyno is a fucking useless figure because it is entirely dependent on pretty much everything.

Do a dyno run in 1st gear and you'll get 11ty BAZILLION newton meters of torque, do it again in 5th (or 6th, for those rad kunts among us who have 6 forward gears )and you'll have 2/5ths of bugger all.

For the millionth time, IGNORE DYNO TORQUE FIGURES