Worked V8 V. I6T

by **stockiEF** » December 4th, 2007, 11:44 pm

back on topic- holden v8s are nice.. love a boosted EL XR8 more than anythin else tho!

by **G3R3N** » December 5th, 2007, 4:11 pm

Rollin wrote:(Cue Bugatti getting smoked by an EA)

LoL
Still the novelty of the Veyron is pretty cool

by **Rollin** » December 5th, 2007, 8:54 pm

Oh of course! I'd give one or possibly both of my testicles for a Veyron

Or a Pagani Zonda, or a Konigsegg CCR, or even a bloody Gallardo/F360. *sigh*

by **EDFalcon** » December 6th, 2007, 10:29 am

^^^^^^^
sounds like the top of the top gear lap time board right there!!

by **Rollin** » December 6th, 2007, 10:48 pm

Oh man..the only thing better than a straight 6 is a couple of the bastards bolted together on a common crank

The noise that Zonda makes is better than sex! (and I've had some pretty good sex....)

by **Bipolar** » December 7th, 2007, 8:35 am

Autosexual

by **Gozza** » December 7th, 2007, 8:49 am

Rollin wrote: The noise that Zonda makes is better than gay sex! (and I've had some pretty gay sex.... )

by **EDFalcon** » December 7th, 2007, 9:19 am

haha thats harsh.... funny but harsh

by **anton** » December 7th, 2007, 10:42 am

we all know that probably the best I6 is the 2JZ and 1.5JZ ( 1jz high flowing head + 2jz longblock ) cood cooling + 24psi and make some serious mumbo

by **Rollin** » December 8th, 2007, 1:22 pm

I give no fark for 2j - no doubt it is a good motor, but hp/$ I reckon the 4.0 comes out on top.

Goz - Being my man-lover, you pretty much just gave yourself shit then...give trick_xd a call, he should be able to sort you out with some practice

by **Dansedgli** » December 8th, 2007, 1:35 pm

anton wrote:we all know that probably the best I6 is the 2JZ and 1.5JZ ( 1jz high flowing head + 2jz longblock ) cood cooling + 24psi and make some serious mumbo

Why 24 psi?

Why not 35psi? Why not 23 psi? What is your reasoning for 24 psi?

by **Steady** » December 8th, 2007, 3:12 pm

Rollin wrote:I give no fark for 2j - no doubt it is a good motor, but hp/$ I reckon the 4.0 comes out on top.

How does that work?!
You gotta like put the turbo on the 4L, the 2J comes with turbos as a freebie.
Get an LS1 up ya.

by **SLY347** » December 8th, 2007, 3:30 pm

LS1: Like a retard on Viagra...they'll stick it in anything

by **syko4d** » December 8th, 2007, 4:06 pm

i agree with sly347 ls1s are shit

by **Dansedgli** » December 8th, 2007, 4:45 pm

rofl.

by **Steady** » December 9th, 2007, 1:57 am

Yeah LS1s are shit, suck me bat you noodle.
Get a 2j up ya, drive a real car. wtf, these **** are lost.

by **Rollin** » December 9th, 2007, 3:49 am

Steady-eddie wrote:How does that work?!
You gotta like put the turbo on the 4L, the 2J comes with turbos as a freebie.
Get an LS1 up ya.

Well, if you want to make decent power on a 2J (assuming you already own an aristo or supra), you need to replace the stock turbos anyway, fit a bigger exhaust, front mount intercooler, injectors, fuel pump, computer etc...maybe even a set of cams for the serious punter...all exactly the same stuff you need to put a turbo on a 4 litre.

If you are talking about fitting a 2j into a falcon, then the $$$/fun ratio is skewed even further towards the 4.0

by **EL XR8** » December 9th, 2007, 7:13 pm

Well it wouldn't matter what car it was. If you have a motor that was designed for that car, it'll always be cheaper that a total re-hash for a completely different motor to be dropped in.

But if you're going for bang for your buck...
Go into just about any motorbike dealer (any brand) hand over about 18k, have low 10 secs all day everyday. All on about 6l/100km. Extend swingarm for a thousand or so, and have a stock bike running 8's.
Then laugh at people who have spent tens of thousands of dollars modifying cars, who wouldn't have a chance in hell. :twisted:

Then be pissed off when it rains when you're riding. :cry:

haha

But on the topic...
Boost is a nice feeling. The 6 will never sound anywhere close to as good as the 8. No one could convince a sane person otherwise.
I'd take either, but if they were both putting out the same power it would definately still favour an 8.

by **Steady** » December 10th, 2007, 9:34 am

Rollin wrote:
Steady-eddie wrote:How does that work?!
You gotta like put the turbo on the 4L, the 2J comes with turbos as a freebie.
Get an LS1 up ya.

Well, if you want to make decent power on a 2J (assuming you already own an aristo or supra), you need to replace the stock turbos anyway, fit a bigger exhaust, front mount intercooler, injectors, fuel pump, computer etc...maybe even a set of cams for the serious punter...all exactly the same stuff you need to put a turbo on a 4 litre.

If you are talking about fitting a 2j into a falcon, then the $$$/fun ratio is skewed even further towards the 4.0

Whats "decent power".
Isn't there a bloke running 12s with the stock twins in an aristo?
Where are the 4Ls running 12s on their "stock" turbos (read: none).
Its a crazy argument, what you are saying is blinded by love for the motor you have.
I don't hate 4Ls, I just recognise what is a better motor.

by **Kenaz** » December 10th, 2007, 5:49 pm

Steady the MARTYR! wrote:Where are the 4Ls running 12s on their "stock" turbos (read: none).

My 4L runs 13s on it's stock turbo

hahaha

by **Steady** » December 10th, 2007, 6:30 pm

I'm talking SOHC Ash

DOHC 4L = LS1 = 2JZ > SOHC 4L

by **nommic** » December 10th, 2007, 7:13 pm

The only way a DOHC 4L could equal an LS1 or 2J is with a hairdryer attached

Which I assume is what you meant.

by **Steady** » December 10th, 2007, 7:14 pm

They come without turbos? How bizarre

by **Rollin** » December 10th, 2007, 8:11 pm

Well it wouldn't matter what car it was. If you have a motor that was designed for that car, it'll always be cheaper that a total re-hash for a completely different motor to be dropped in.

Well, no. I'd rather put a 2j in a commodore where a V6 used to live, than attempt to rebuild the V6 to make the same power that a 2j can for the same budget...ie, if I had a VN commodore and 6k in the bank (which I never would but this is hypothetical) It would make more sense to buy and fit a 2j than to spend 6k on rebuilding the 3.8 and buying turbos, making/buying manifolds etc etc etc. They are crap engines.

Another exampe would be a KE70 - it makes shitloads more sense to throw in a 4age/4agze than to attempt to rebuild the little 3k (I think that is the engine they come with?) to make the same power that even a stock 4age manages, and you would have far worse drivability, fuel consumption and emissions.

Steady wrote:Whats "decent power".
Isn't there a bloke running 12s with the stock twins in an aristo?
Where are the 4Ls running 12s on their "stock" turbos (read: none).
Its a crazy argument, what you are saying is blinded by love for the motor you have.
I don't hate 4Ls, I just recognise what is a better motor.

You are confusing quick quarters with making power - I'm sure you could put a CFi 3.9 in a gokart and do 12s all day too, if you wanted - doesn't mean the engine is making massive hp.

Decent power for me = about 400hp or more at the wheels I suppose...someone fill me in on what the stockers on a 2j are good for...a guy up here made 241rwkw on them with bigger internal wastegates and a 3.1" exhaust, then went to a big single, so they would be somewhere about there, maybe a little more IMHO.

You also can't just say that a particular engine is a better than another without taking into account cost and the application - I'm sure a 2j would suck ass if you put it in a kenworth road train...would you then say that the kenworth motor is 'better', because it can haul 100 tonnes of cowshit better than a 2j can?

Steady wrote:DOHC 4L = LS1 = 2JZ > SOHC 4L

I reckon you have 'SOHC' and 'DOHC' back to front there...E-series rods are stronger than BA ones, meaning you can make more powah before the engine needs to come apart - also cheaper to get the head of a SOHC motor ported and a billet cam is only $400...

by **Dansedgli** » December 10th, 2007, 9:12 pm

Rollin wrote:
I reckon you have 'SOHC' and 'DOHC' back to front there...E-series rods are stronger than BA ones, meaning you can make more powah before the engine needs to come apart - also cheaper to get the head of a SOHC motor ported and a billet cam is only $400...

Stock BF motor will go 400rwkw on standard internals including standard cams, and valve springs.

Needs a cooler, plenum, wastegate porting, actuator, injectors, better piping and an exhaust with a good tune.

I prefer 2 cams now that I have one but Im still undecided if its a better idea to put one in an E series or not though. My NA conversion is pretty cheap so far.

by **Rollin** » December 10th, 2007, 10:04 pm

Do the BF's have different rods to the BA's? Because what you have said is different to what I've been hearing for ages, including from the guy I bought my first 6 speed off - he bent a rod at around 300rwkw in his XR6T ute, and told me that it was common. Had the motor on the garage floor when I went to pick up the box.

Also, had a mate (who has since turned into a fkwit) but back in the day he bought an XR6t ute as well, got a cat-back and tune, IIRC ended up with 220rwkw (?) and was told if he wanted to run more than 9psi he would need valvesprings.

Though it's good if 400rwkw is achievable on stock internals, means the BF motor stacks up even better against the mighty 2j

*Please not that I DO think the 2J is a fken rip-snorter of a motor, (it has to be, being an I6t) but all things considered, it isn't SOOOO much better than a 4 litre as many people seem to think.

by **Dansedgli** » December 10th, 2007, 10:17 pm

Yep BF motors are betterer.

And the bottom ends are only 2K ish from ford

by **Rollin** » December 10th, 2007, 11:01 pm

Well that settles it then.

Once the motor in my car goes bang (hopefully in a very impressive way while someone has a video camera handy) I'm not going to fk about - BF motor ftmfw.

by **syko4d** » December 10th, 2007, 11:58 pm

the xr6 motor is far superios the 2j does not and i really mean does not have the capabilities the barra has the money u have to spend on a 2j or 1.5 is not any different to the barra but and the but is iff youre goin to spend the money the barra is far more powerful and reliable now were talkin bout money not standard so keep this in mind before u argue

by **Commando** » December 11th, 2007, 7:13 am

TTV8 FTW

by **EL XR8** » December 11th, 2007, 4:46 pm

Rollin wrote:Once the motor in my car goes bang (hopefully in a very impressive way while someone has a video camera handy) I'm not going to fk about - BF motor ftmfw.

There's the reliability part of the topic sorted...
Get the V8, and it wont go bang. :lol:

Pretty silly topic though but, i'd agree with Commando, it'd be a forced 8 for me. TTV8 or Blown8. Why **** around with less cubes, if you're gonna spend a bit of coin. It certainly ain't for reliability...

by **spope** » December 11th, 2007, 5:22 pm

EL XR8 wrote:Get the V8, and it wont go bang.

No, but it might split in half.

You guys are nuts I reckon. 2JZ never. Give me a RB26DETT any day of the week.

by **Rollin** » December 11th, 2007, 6:10 pm

EL XR8 wrote:Get the V8, and it wont go bang.

It might not go bang, but it won't make any power, either.

spope wrote:You guys are nuts I reckon. 2JZ never. Give me a RB26DETT any day of the week.

Hmm. I could understand if you said "supra never. GTR any day of the week"

RB26 < 2J < BF 4.0T

by **EL XR8** » December 11th, 2007, 6:58 pm

Last time i checked a N/A V8 will put out more power than any i6 i've ever heard of.
Stock motor for stock motor, put a blower on either the 8 will end up with more power...
I'd pretty well be assuming if a turbo was on the side, the cubes would come up trumps.

Split blocks... if anyone is chasing 300rwkw+ ur into the territory of spending some coin, so whats another couple of thou.
Besides by then, ur up for a decent gearbox and the rest of the driveline. So for under 300rwkw, the V8's aren't that far behind in bang for ur buck, than the i6's.

RB26's aren't a bad piece of kit. Best sounding i60 around, when they're howling. BMW's hi-po 6 not far behind though.

by **Rollin** » December 11th, 2007, 7:19 pm

EL XR8 wrote:Last time i checked a N/A V8 will put out more power than any i6 i've ever heard of.

EH? 'A' na/a v8 will put out more power than 'any' I6 you've ever heard of?

So you're saying a stock E34 M3 motor makes less power than a stock VH 253 (or for that matter, a stock VT clubsport)?

A stock EB XR8 motor puts out more power than a stock AU XR6 VCT motor?

There are so many other variables that have to be considered that your statement is just plain silly.

I'd actually really like to see someone take a stock 5.0 from an EB (for example) and a stock 4.0 (also from an EB) fit a turbo to the 4.0 with no intercooler, just a manifold and dump pipe, injectors and a tune, and fit a blower to the 5.0 (also with no intercooler, just injectors and a tune) and then just keep winding up the wick until on of them busts, while taking power readings at different boost levels, say 5, 10, 15, 20 psi (if they lasted that long).

I'd still have my money on the 4.0 out of sheer pig-headedness

by **Steady** » December 11th, 2007, 7:23 pm

4L will die first, MAF will compensate for the increased airflow better then speed density in the 4L.
I'll give SOHC 4Ls some respect when they propel an E-Series to 8s.
Until then, RB30ET > SOHC 4L

by **spope** » December 11th, 2007, 7:23 pm

*cough* 265 Hemi *cough*

Excuse me.

I'm not anti-V8, btw, I just think forced induction is a far better option than more cubes/more cylinders.
Mind you, right now I would love to get my hands on a BA/BF GT - they sound amazing - and I do really want a V8 cruiser.

rollin wrote:Hmm. I could understand if you said "supra never. GTR any day of the week"

Well, yes, that's probably a fair point. I have to be honest and say I've never looked much into the 2J, I'm not a fan of Toyota. But I am aware of some RB powered cars making insane amounts of power.

AWD > RWD

by **Damo** » December 11th, 2007, 7:38 pm

ECOTEC V6 is where it's at fellas. :roll:

by **Rollin** » December 11th, 2007, 7:42 pm

Steady wrote:4L will die first, MAF will compensate for the increased airflow better then speed density in the 4L.

Rollin wrote:fit a turbo to the 4.0 with no intercooler, just a manifold and dump pipe, injectors and a tune, and fit a blower to the 5.0 (also with no intercooler, just injectors and a tune)

I suppose I should have specified what I meant by 'tune' - lets say a haltech was fitted to both vehicles, therefore both are running a 2.5bar MAP sensor, therefore getting past the stock MAP on the 4.0 being no good above about 7-10psi, and the stock 5.0 MAF pegging at about 3rwkw

by **Dansedgli** » December 11th, 2007, 8:12 pm

Rollin wrote:Well that settles it then.

Once the motor in my car goes bang (hopefully in a very impressive way while someone has a video camera handy) I'm not going to fk about - BF motor ftmfw.

bf goodness + bolt ons = 380rwkw

http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/index ... opic=32341

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