What's the worst car ever to be a car?

[Commando]

Suggestion - should Boosted have a Sin Bin for posts like that?

[get_an_ea_today]

oldschool sigma

[spope]

Please tell me what is wrong with the Sigma?
Ok, the engine was a bit crap, but they were powerful enough, they didn't use that much petrol, there plenty of space inside, available with power steering/air con/windows, they were RWD, available with 3 or 4 speed auto, 4 or 5 speed manual, sedan or wagon - and they certainly weren't the worst looking car of the 1980s.

Not having a go, btw, just curious as to why you think the Sigma is one of the worst cars ever made?

[get_an_ea_today]

Please tell me what is wrong with the Sigma?
Ok, the engine was a bit crap, but they were powerful enough, they didn't use that much petrol, there plenty of space inside, available with power steering/air con/windows, they were RWD, available with 3 or 4 speed auto, 4 or 5 speed manual, sedan or wagon - and they certainly weren't the worst looking car of the 1980s.

Not having a go, btw, just curious as to why you think the Sigma is one of the worst cars ever made?

My dads mate had one back in the day and every weekend they were constantly fixing the dam thing, i dunno if it was a lemon or if he just treated it like shit but they were always saying sigmas are the worst car blah blah and shiz.

[TUFED6]

I reckon those Mazda 626/Ford Telstars are pretty hopeless.

Big heavy FWD with a smallish engine, its all bad.

[EFFalcon]

the V6 telstars were alright.

[Jim Beam]

Please tell me what is wrong with the Sigma?
Ok, the engine was a bit crap, but they were powerful enough, they didn't use that much petrol, there plenty of space inside, available with power steering/air con/windows, they were RWD, available with 3 or 4 speed auto, 4 or 5 speed manual, sedan or wagon - and they certainly weren't the worst looking car of the 1980s.

Not having a go, btw, just curious as to why you think the Sigma is one of the worst cars ever made?

My parents had one back in the day, bought brand new, serviced at the right intervals ect. Was dead after 14 months.

[spope]

Please tell me what is wrong with the Sigma?
Ok, the engine was a bit crap, but they were powerful enough, they didn't use that much petrol, there plenty of space inside, available with power steering/air con/windows, they were RWD, available with 3 or 4 speed auto, 4 or 5 speed manual, sedan or wagon - and they certainly weren't the worst looking car of the 1980s.

Not having a go, btw, just curious as to why you think the Sigma is one of the worst cars ever made?

My parents had one back in the day, bought brand new, serviced at the right intervals ect. Was dead after 14 months.

Why did it die?
Again, not having a dig, I am genuinely interested in knowing why people think the Sigma is a bad car. Never owned one myself, but have driven plenty, I always thought they were ok.

[Bipolar]

My parents had one in the early 90s. It did everything it was supposed to, was comfy, and didn't look too bad. But it wasn't very reliable, and my old man regularly serviced it and treated it very well. But it was the Chrysler model before Bitsamissing took over.

[EDFalcon]

I'd put a vote in for he sigma being the best paddock basher ever!!! RWD, Manual, decent power. Definitely not the "worst car ever to be a car"

And VL's the worst car?? Pfft. You mightnt like them but they clearly arent the worst car.

[Jim Beam]

Please tell me what is wrong with the Sigma?
Ok, the engine was a bit crap, but they were powerful enough, they didn't use that much petrol, there plenty of space inside, available with power steering/air con/windows, they were RWD, available with 3 or 4 speed auto, 4 or 5 speed manual, sedan or wagon - and they certainly weren't the worst looking car of the 1980s.

Not having a go, btw, just curious as to why you think the Sigma is one of the worst cars ever made?

My parents had one back in the day, bought brand new, serviced at the right intervals ect. Was dead after 14 months.

Why did it die?
Again, not having a dig, I am genuinely interested in knowing why people think the Sigma is a bad car. Never owned one myself, but have driven plenty, I always thought they were ok.

Constantly needed fixing, pretty sure in the end something in the engine just gave way and spat out all the oil all over our driveway. Luckily it happened just as dad got home.

[oneredED]

I'd put a vote in for he sigma being the best paddock basher ever!!! RWD, Manual, decent power. Definitely not the "worst car ever to be a car"

And VL's the worst car?? Pfft. You mightnt like them but they clearly arent the worst car.

+1 for sigma's making awesome paddock bashers! Our neighbours had one, and whilst it wasn't quite as tough as our hilux, it certainly took a punishing and had way more balls! I wouldn't mind one of the "Redback" turbo sigma's either. There was a comparison in Zoom a few year back with an SR20, the Sigma turbo motor, and a YBD cosworth sierra motor. The Sigma motor went very very well considering it's age, it had equal perfomance to the SR20 on the same boost with an inlet restrictor choking it.

[EDFalcon]

GF's family has 1000 acres out at bairnsdale and we could lap the property quicker in a rwd sigma drifting through the dirt and flying over holes and bumps quicker than we could in a lifted patrol built for that stuff. The sigma even got through thick black mud driving in 16cm deep 4WD tracks. Slid across like it was surfing. I couldnt believe how versatile it was and how easy it was to do massive power slides (in dirt of course)!!!!

If thats the worst car ever made then the car industry is doing a fn good job.

[makvaiielles_xr6]

WOW you have all got me thinking... ... i wonder how im so one eyed, is it because i LOVE fords? i think we have forgot i said the taurus as well. the only thing it didnt suck at was is in the ride, i mean really it has to be the only car in the world which CANT look nice!!! oh crap wait for it .... and HOLDENS.....

[Commando]

LOLOLOLban

[[Sterling]]

WOW you have all got me thinking... ... i wonder how im so one eyed, is it because i LOVE fords? i think we have forgot i said the taurus as well. the only thing it didnt suck at was is in the ride, i mean really it has to be the only car in the world which CANT look nice!!! oh crap wait for it .... and HOLDENS.....

IMO anycar dumped big chrome wheels tint looks nice, for the taurus i would paint it black dark tint, and some big wheels would make it look sweet
and VL's are shaweet!! i had one driving beside me with the plates RBOCOP(white one if anyones seen him) dosing, sounded sweet!

[Maximus]

On what basis? Have you ever driven one? The RB30 is a super smooth engine, the VL is by far the most refined of all the VB-VL shape commodores. Ok, so the NA 6 is not very quick, and yes, there are plenty of idiots that own them that think they are. But that is true of a lot of cars. They are so ridiculously easy to turbo, and the 304 V8 was a very good engine.

I'm not saying you aren't allowed to dislike them, but there is no way you can argue that they are bad on technical grounds.

Ha ha, yeah, I have driven a couple, I'll agree that the RB30 is pretty well made, I guess I'm just ignorant and cant get passed the fact that I see about a hundred thousand of the decrepled peices of shit everyday. It seems to me that everyone that i ever hear talk about them deserves less oxygen. They seem overdone and like they're the stupid generic cult obsession of every muzza drift king wannabe. Lets just say that MY personal opinion is that they are a disgrace, and that you can all think what you like.

[CMYWPN]

cos the rb30 had nothin to do with holden.

[Maximus]

Ha ha, Imagine if the VS or VT came out with an RB25DET.

Nissan are fantastic.

[67rce]

I'd put a vote in for he sigma being the best paddock basher ever!!! RWD, Manual, decent power. Definitely not the "worst car ever to be a car"

And VL's the worst car?? Pfft. You mightnt like them but they clearly arent the worst car.

+1 for sigma's making awesome paddock bashers! Our neighbours had one, and whilst it wasn't quite as tough as our hilux, it certainly took a punishing and had way more balls! I wouldn't mind one of the "Redback" turbo sigma's either. There was a comparison in Zoom a few year back with an SR20, the Sigma turbo motor, and a YBD cosworth sierra motor. The Sigma motor went very very well considering it's age, it had equal perfomance to the SR20 on the same boost with an inlet restrictor choking it.

The ST124 (i think) Corona is a fucken awesome bushbasher sikma's arent too bad, maybe the NSU Ro8o as a nomination, or the VW Beetle for the back seat fires, umm ithers, but i cant think of them now

[Rollin]

R31 > VL

+1 for commodores being crappest cars on earth - some brands are crap, but everybody thinks it (like hyundai). Commos are crap but for some reason every motherfecker thinks they are gods gift to motoring.

Reverse park a VE then get back to me on how great they are.

I'd drive an ED XR6 or an XR8 sprint over a VE GTS any day. (bear in mind that I've already driven probably 40+ VE HSVs and 11tybillion of the lesser models - when I say they are teh suck, they actually are teh suck.)

[oneredED]

I'd drive an ED XR6 or an XR8 sprint over a VE GTS any day. (bear in mind that I've already driven probably 40+ VE HSVs and 11tybillion of the lesser models - when I say they are teh suck, they actually are teh suck.)

That's a big call. Having not driven a VE HSV, I can't argue. Care to tell us why they're so shit?

[[Sterling]]

i dont mind commys but every p plater that drive's one thinks there the fuggin decendint(sp?) of peter brock
thinkin that single spinners are the bomb digigty untill it steps out sideways and then there faarked

[EL XR8]

I don't like the look of the VE's, but Jared can stick his Sprint fair up his clacker if it was between that and a VE GTS. I guess high 12/low 13 sec quarters stock,make for a shit car? you want bad rear vision, drive any Falcon ute with a hardtop with the fuckin hump. I doubt the VE could be any worse...

[G3R3N]

'teh gayest'

[Maximus]

Well Rollin, Cheers for the backup, guess what, I drive an ED XR6!

[[Sterling]]

'teh gayest'

lowered, deep dish chromes, tint, maybe a 1000 watt 12" sub and a turbo. id do a chapel run in it dosing all the way!

[Bipolar]

^^I hope Rollin doesn't answer that for the single fact that the skro doesn't get enough sleep as it is, and he'd be up for a good few hours typing the shit. I can't remember every detail he's told me coz there's so many (the fuct way a tow bar has to be fitted to a Maloo for example), but I do know that when it's more common for backyard mechanics and tinkerers to start playing around with them in a few years, they're going to wanna be a member of a forum.

[serial_fool]

Worst car ever is the 3 wheeled car Mr. Bean has a grudge against.

That and a 3.2 CPI, 3 Speed Auto EA GL.... who in the name of **** would of bought these things?

[someLS1]

R31 > VL

+1 for commodores being crappest cars on earth - some brands are crap, but everybody thinks it (like hyundai). Commos are crap but for some reason every motherfecker thinks they are gods gift to motoring.

Reverse park a VE then get back to me on how great they are.

I'd drive an ED XR6 or an XR8 sprint over a VE GTS any day. (bear in mind that I've already driven probably 40+ VE HSVs and 11tybillion of the lesser models - when I say they are teh suck, they actually are teh suck.)

Thats a fucken big call a 15yo car over the top of the line holden in the current model having driven a sprint and owning an ed ghia and many eseries i would say that sounds like a load of shit to me....

Ive just been defending fords on ls1 forums cause there are one eyed holden fools as bad as one eyed ford fools on here dunno why i bother even reading these threads

PS i hate the look of the VE and am not a fan at all!

[Fairmont888]

PS i hate the look of the VE and am not a fan at all!

lol.. good to hear about the VE!! i hate that car with a passion... and even tho u could describe me as one of those "one eyed ford fools" i will admit that not every commo has been absolutely shit.. fords have been shit as well and ill admit that too.. just look at the AU1, my dads went through 5 diffs.. they still didnt get the message something was wrong. Even the BA after that went through 5 sets of brakes. At the end of the day tho every 1's opinion is swayed by their preference of car..IMO the VE is the biggest piece of shit to grace the earth.. oooooo lets brag about our wanky 6 litre that has less power than fords updated 5.4s (orion). ohhh and cant forget the styling that is like 10 different makes of car slammed into one . Rollin having driven heaps of commo's obviously has a fair amount of experience to make the call he did.. but then again some other guy may think the ve's are the greatest thing since sliced bread. so its really up to the individual. anyway im done.. gee re reading that.. man i was bored.

[someLS1]

I dont have a preference of car i like fords and holdens lol maybe im the fool who knows...

[Rollin]

1: Rear park assist still lets you hit shit.

2: Handbrake lever can catch your index finger if you aren't careful when taking the handbrake off (sharp edges on some cars make it possible to draw blood).

3: Rear vision is woefull. It's possible to hide a 12yo child below the bootline on these cars, it's fuct up.

4: A-pillars are monsterous, meaning roundabouts and bends in the road are taken while sawing your head back and forth to try and see round it.

5: Lane changing is an excersise in faith due to lack of rear vision.

6: Most of them feel very underdamped.

7: Kids under the age of about 12 cannot see out of the rear windows because of the high waistline - must make car trips fun.

8: BLOODY BEEPING. Every time you get in one of the kents the cluster beeps at you, it gets exceedingly irritating.

9: Headlights have the option of "auto, parkers, headlights" and when set to auto they pretty much come on all the time. If I want my headlights on, I'll bloody put them on, thank you very much!

10: Squirters for the wiper blades are on the 'bottom' of the blade, meaning the first wipe 'up' the screen is completely dry - geat for scratching the crap out of the screen if you've just been splashed with some mud or have dust on the screen.

11: Accelerators don't "feel" right - fly by wire is the crappest thing ever (and that goes for pretty much every car fitted with it).

12: Wheel arches are stupidly big - even 20s look small on a VE, it's retarded! Even if you lower them so the belly is scraping the deck, they look like they sit at the normal height of a factory car, and should be lowered a bit more - I keenly await the first VE I see tucking tyre/rim they'd have to be 24s or something.

13: And while I'm on the subject of wheels, the wheel nut torque spec for a VE (all of them) is 175Nm. I'd reckon 60% of the driving population of australia would have trouble getting the nuts off, let alone struggling with the weight of the oversized wheels while removing and fitting the spare (just FYI, a rear wheel on a clubby weighs in at 34kg - thats kalf of what I weigh!!!)

That's just a few things I can think of off the top of my head, things that 'normal' people would notice during ownership. Much more to do with the fundamental design failures of the car, than just comparing how much gofasts they have.

I'd rather drive a slightly slower car that works well, is designed well, and feels 'right' to drive than a quicker one that has some unforgivable flaws. (I read a wheels article on Orion the other day, looks just like a VE but with extra crapness - all the flaws of the VE, plus no doubt they will invent some new ones)

I could give a shitlist of recalls current on them atm, and common problems, and go on and on about the CAN-BUS system they use, and the amount of programming conflicts etc that they suffer from, and the stupid overly complicated system they use to control the charge rate of the alternator (get this, just to make the alternator do its job on a VE, you need BOTH the engine ECU and the body control module - yep, two bits of wire from the alternator to battery have been replaced with a couple of modules worth about 2 grand, a complicated system of communications between the two, and several hundred/thousand hours of testing and programming to get it right, which they didn't anyway, hence the BCM reprogramming recall they started because 11tybillion VEs kept getting flat batteries!!)

[someLS1]

meh i could argue back some of those points but just the effort of typing is more then i can be fucked doing...

that is all

[G3R3N]

Decent engine or not, I cant stand the look of the VLs.
Not to mention the wanker cult that goes hand in hand with them

[Fairmont888]

lol holy hell.. i dont think u wrote enough there!! wasnt there a recent recall on the VE for sumthing to do with them catching fire due to a petrol leak in the engine or some shit??

[snortingboost]

Ok then, hear is one to consider, the 4 cylinder 'STARFIRE' aka missfire powered VH commo. Pretty shit thing let me tell you. Luckily you can rip that out and stick a 350 chev in it which instantly redeems itself. The Kia's though take the gong for most recent vehicle to suck balls, I personally have had the pleasure of grenading a brand new rio engine before delivery of the new car. It developed a missfire and was puffing smoke from the get go, I had a good look into it and thought that it was fucked, took it for a drive which is what i was told to do and then fukenbang! Totally destroyed it, I did contribute to it's death by clutching it and holding the accelerator flat but it was worth it. As for the holden vs ford thing, there both as shit as each other and I'd not like to own either out of warranty.

[Rollin]

Both the V6 and V8 have had fuel line recalls, the 8s had a potentially leaky fitting on the fuel line in the engine bay IIRC, and involved replacing the hose, and the 6s are more of a precaution - the supply hose can rub through on a saddle clamp fitted to the rear of the LHS head and cause a fuel leak, but it would prob take 50,000km to do it. The fix is to ditch the saddle clamp, slightly reposition the hose and secure it with a zip-tie

[EDFalcon]

Not to mention the wanker cult that goes hand in hand with them

The people that drive the car aren't what make it the worst car ever to be a car.

3: Rear vision is woefull. It's possible to hide a 12yo child below the bootline on these cars, it's fuct up.

On that front ever been in a 300C. GF's dad has one and the side windows are tiny, rear vision is almost non-existent, and if you put the sun visor down it clears the wheel by just over 30mm. Major flaw of the car. It also feels like its floating on the road.

Though i feel like a pimp while driving it to drop off his 3 daughters so i wont nominate it for worst car

[Fairmont888]

secure it with a zip-tie

Is there anything that cant be done with zip ties these days??

Though i feel like a pimp while driving it to drop off his 3 daughters so i wont nominate it for worst car

lol... thats some funny shit