NEW FG FALCON

ned · Post by **ned** » February 18th, 2008, 12:42 pm

FPV Super Pursuit Ute

ned · Post by **ned** » February 18th, 2008, 12:42 pm

Falcon R6 Ute - Replaces previous model, Falcon XLS Ute.

ned · Post by **ned** » February 18th, 2008, 12:44 pm

Apologies for the lengthy posts, was easier for me to split them up that way.

Mods feel free to clean it up to suit ya's.

Pics were from AFF, I have saved and uploaded them for those with no access.

Post by **Sunboost** » February 18th, 2008, 12:44 pm

Lol @ "Provided by FordForums.com.au" watermarks.

spope · Post by **spope** » February 18th, 2008, 12:45 pm

I reckon the new ute looks really good.
But a G6E Turbo would be the one for me.

BTW, which genius parked them all with the steering lock on?

Nikk O'lass · Post by **Nikk O'lass** » February 18th, 2008, 12:50 pm

My first photocop of the new range, dumped, added XR grill and lowerintake, aswell as XR rims. Oh tinted aswell.

get_an_ea_today · February 18th, 2008, 12:55 pm

thats hot!

Damo · Post by **Damo** » February 18th, 2008, 12:56 pm

I reckon they all look sht house.

93edxr6 · Post by **93edxr6** » February 18th, 2008, 1:24 pm

+ 1 for photoshop who will be the first to make a real one and wounder who will be first to get a moded one in a mag

Gunns · Post by **Gunns** » February 18th, 2008, 1:25 pm

Damo wrote:I reckon they all look sht house.

Box car FTW

Post by **EFFalcon** » February 18th, 2008, 1:38 pm

as is always the case, they just need the springs chopped in 1/2

[Sterling] · Post by **[Sterling]** » February 18th, 2008, 3:14 pm

ford have really fucked up...

Post by **Commando** » February 18th, 2008, 3:24 pm

The Ford ute rear looks way better than the VE rear...

67rce · Post by **67rce** » February 18th, 2008, 6:03 pm

http://www.fordmods.com/forums/download.php?id=18842

Chopped G6E/T turned into a coupe

oneredED · Post by **oneredED** » February 18th, 2008, 6:21 pm

Nikk O'lass wrote:My first photocop of the new range, dumped, added XR grill and lowerintake, aswell as XR rims. Oh tinted aswell.

That looks sweet as. As for the rest of them... I'll have to wait and see one in the flesh. Not a fan of the emo-eyes on the FPV's at this stage.

Post by **needfordspeed** » February 18th, 2008, 6:34 pm

Nikk O'lass wrote:My first photocop of the new range, dumped, added XR grill and lowerintake, aswell as XR rims. Oh tinted aswell.

that's fkn hot, I reckon they'll look way better in real life.

Those G6E's or whatever they are will be sick as, time to start saving for a second hand one

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » February 18th, 2008, 8:12 pm

Sundose wrote:MMmmmmMMmmM the sexiness of a Fairmont Ghia mixed with the performance of an XR6 Turbo. How can you lose?

Because they weigh approx 6.7352 TONNES!!! New cars ftl.

TUFED6 wrote:Out of all the FG media hype, the only part that interests me is that the XR6T has a new pump.

Wonder if anyone has any specs on it yet?

The way I read that, sounded like it was a smaller one hey:

Ford press crap wrote:"The BA- or BF-spec I6 Turbo engines could never be accused of exhibiting significant turbo lag characteristics, however, the new turbocharger responds 30 per cent faster again compared to the previous generation system," Kernich said.

"It has been optimised to operate in a higher efficiency range, which allows boost to come on quicker and therefore minimises turbo lag even further.

To me that reads like they have used a slightly smaller one, so that it is up in it's efficiency range in normal driving, rather than just under WOT.

I personally think the new Falcons look far too much like VEs...the profile view could be interchangable

The photochop looks the goods though. The lights are ok at least...

Fritzz · Post by **Fritzz** » February 18th, 2008, 8:56 pm

meh i think they look good, use c**ts suck.

how cool its the launch control and anti-lag.

serial_fool · Post by **serial_fool** » February 18th, 2008, 9:19 pm

The euro- trash wheel styling needs to go ASAP.

Otherwise it looks beautiful, I'd give my left nut for the Fairmont Ghia Turbo.

It will most likely be panned by the media though... Ten at the unvieling said "Its the new falcon, but is it really?" then said something about carrying over the BFs engines, NEWSFLASH RETARDED REPORTERS, MOST NEW MODELS CARRY OVER ENGINES FROM THE PREVIOUS MODEL.

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » February 18th, 2008, 9:31 pm

serial_fool wrote:The euro- trash wheel styling needs to go ASAP.

Otherwise it looks beautiful, I'd give my left nut for the Fairmont Ghia Turbo.

It will most likely be panned by the media though... Ten at the unvieling said "Its the new falcon, but is it really?" then said something about carrying over the BFs engines, NEWSFLASH RETARDED REPORTERS, MOST NEW MODELS CARRY OVER ENGINES FROM THE PREVIOUS MODEL.

lol dam reporters.. if they say its not a new car coz they carried over engines.. thats like saying its not a new year coz the same ppl from the last year are still alive

spope · Post by **spope** » February 18th, 2008, 9:39 pm

Rollin wrote:
TUFED6 wrote:Out of all the FG media hype, the only part that interests me is that the XR6T has a new pump.

Wonder if anyone has any specs on it yet?
The way I read that, sounded like it was a smaller one hey:

Ford press crap wrote:"The BA- or BF-spec I6 Turbo engines could never be accused of exhibiting significant turbo lag characteristics, however, the new turbocharger responds 30 per cent faster again compared to the previous generation system," Kernich said.

"It has been optimised to operate in a higher efficiency range, which allows boost to come on quicker and therefore minimises turbo lag even further.
To me that reads like they have used a slightly smaller one, so that it is up in it's efficiency range in normal driving, rather than just under WOT.

Drive.com.au also says that boost has been upped from 6psi to 10psi. I would guess a smaller snail too however. The launch control sounds pretty cool though.

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » February 18th, 2008, 10:30 pm

Yeah - antilag/launch control on a factory car is fuggen unreal! I can't believe they have done that! I wonder how much difference it makes 0-100 compared to the previous setup, and how the hell the engineering dudes got that idea past the beancounters and the warranty guys

It would have given the drivetrain people nightmares though - hopefully the half-shafts are up to the task.

I still say boxcar ftmfw though

serial_fool · Post by **serial_fool** » February 18th, 2008, 10:42 pm

Agreed, The EA-EDs are drivers/mechanic cars where you can actually feel the road and work on it without a $10,000 machine telling you the faults.... the new Fords/Holdens/Toyotas are whitegoods on wheels.

This would also apply to the ef/els and to a certain extent the butt ugly AU.

Steady · Post by **Steady** » February 19th, 2008, 12:43 am

They don't look that baaaaaad, they'll probably grow on me, but I dunno, all theses complicated panel lines, scallops in doors and whatnot, it lacks tuffness.
Fairmont Ghia turbo isn't THAT exciting, get a BF with a luxury pack and leather, theres your Ghia turbo.
Ute looks like arse, "pursuit" badging across tail gate is tacky as.
Also I really hope some of those rims are only there because they haven't finalised the rim packages....
Where are the 20s cnts?!?!?

And FPVs still have start buttons, and its in possibly an even worse spot.

When they come out I'll try use my FPV owner powers to yoink myself a test drive of a T.
But as it sits, I'm not overly stoked on them.

Post by **TUFED6** » February 19th, 2008, 7:27 am

Absolutely 100% no way its real launch control/anti-lag. Will definitely be some half-arsed attempt.

Real launch control would be HORRIBLE for emissions- unburnt fuel & cat converter killing massive exhaust temp spikes...

LTDHO · Post by **LTDHO** » February 19th, 2008, 7:56 am

ned wrote:Falcon XR6 Turbo

XR5 wheels anyone!

Where is the originality gone?

Next will be 12 slotters!

Bah to Ford Motor Company!

Gozza · Post by **Gozza** » February 19th, 2008, 8:02 am

The utes look half decent...everything else looks like ass .. boo to you ford...boo to you

spope · Post by **spope** » February 19th, 2008, 8:03 am

Why all the negativity? Is it assumed that Australian engineers can't develop world-class technology?
Here is the article on the new Turbo I6:
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniS ... niSiteID=8
But some snippets for you:

Drive.com.au wrote: Power for the heavily revised six-cylinder engine has jumped 10.2 per cent to 270kW.

Torque, or mid-range pulling power, is also boosted significantly to 533Nm, a hefty 11.0 per cent improvement.

For the first time the turbocharged six-cylinder – to be used in the XR6 Turbo and at least one new sports luxury version of the FG Falcon – produces more torque than the V8 engine (520Nm versus 533Nm).

Despite the extra grunt and performance the FG Falcon’s six-cylinder turbo now uses less fuel than the engine it replaces - and significantly less than the V8 in the FG Falcon XR8. Average fuel consumption for the FG Falcon turbo has reduced by 4.9 per cent to 11.7L/100km when mated to the six-speed automatic transmission.

For what it's worth, 11.3l/100kms is the figured quoted from Holden for their 195kw NA version of the VE. Ford have done an amazing job on this front. 75 more kw, over 1.5 times the torque.

Drive.com.au wrote: Boost pressure from the turbo has been almost doubled, from 0.4 bar (6 psi) with the outgoing BF Falcon to 0.7 bar (10 psi) in the FG Falcon.

With the manual gearbox there’s a launch assist feature. From a standstill electronics can instruct the engine to divert air (minus the fuel) going through the cylinders through the exhaust system. The air spins the turbo adding boost in preparation for a start. It aims to reduce turbo lag from a standstill, improving standing-start performance.

Automatic versions of the FG Falcon turbo engine have a momentary cylinder cut-out system designed to operate during gear changes.

Designed to give faster, smoother gear shifts the cylinder cut-out only occurs for 0.25 of a second.

Keep in mind, this is all going to be in car which will sell for around $AU60,000. This is absolutely world-class technology, the sort of stuff you expect to find on exotic europeans, not a damn Falcon!
Also remember this engine was developed, built, tested, tuned, 100% in Australia. No other manufacturer has done that in years, which by itself is an achievement. Here's hoping someone at Ford HQ realises this and sends the cash to get the thing fully complied for Euro 4. We can hope.
I think what Ford have done is remarkable. Wether it will translate into sales, who knows?

It's also worth mentioning the weight of the car at this point. Yes, it is a heavy car, but it is only 10kgs heavier than the BF! That is an incredible achievement also. An all new body structure, hopefully a 5-star crash safety level, more equipment, presumably a larger car, for only a 10kg gain is impressive.

Post by **TUFED6** » February 19th, 2008, 8:04 am

They all probably look heaps better in the flesh.

I don't remember being all that impressed by any of the B-series cars when they were released either.

TriymeD · Post by **TriymeD** » February 19th, 2008, 8:44 am

Good pix president evil.

Although I'm not completely sold on them.
They look european cross current camry!
They dont look Aussie enough.
Dissapointing and the name FG? Does'nt sound right.

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » February 19th, 2008, 9:35 am

TriymeD wrote:Dissapointing and the name FG? Does'nt sound right.

The name FG is in reference to the success of the Fairmont Ghia which they have done away with, so as a tribute to it they named the new model after it. so its more a sentimental thing rather than a random shitty choice

Post by **pHaT`eL** » February 19th, 2008, 10:13 am

Looks like I should be saving for a G6ET, but I reckon a BF2 Ghia with F6 gear would be better.

Gunns · Post by **Gunns** » February 19th, 2008, 10:41 am

pHaT`eL wrote:Looks like I should be saving for a G6ET, but I reckon a BF2 Ghia with F6 gear would be better.

Its called the Force6

Post by **Sunboost** » February 19th, 2008, 10:45 am

Seriously never had a feeling like "Fk I wanna buy that car brand new" ever except with this thing. There are some pretty damn good upgrades all over and the car looks fukking killer to me on all accounts.

Not a fan of the GT stripes and the panda eyes will grow on me, but everything else is mint.

Post by **Commando** » February 19th, 2008, 10:51 am

Commando wrote:Yep, extremely disappointed. It's like they've overcorrected from the radical (as in, Muslim Cleric radical, not Ninja Turtles radical) AU and gone uber conservative/copycat. That side profile says Aurion/380/VE... Front looks like a Mondeo.

G6? G6E? They sound like Hyundai or Daewoo names! Sif kill the popular names that we've identified with since the 60s.

I noticed only the XR8 had a manual transmission listed. XR6 N/A had only two autos to choose from going by drive.com.au

Good to see 270kw/533nm XR6T combo and the 290kw/520kw XR8 combo. And also it's good to see the turbo make its was into the "regular" luxo range. I still think they should have extended its availability to XTs though.

Hopefully they continue the GT/Pursuits and Typhoon/Tornados.

Actually, I think I'll eat some of my words. The more I look at the pics, the more I like it!

G-series names are still gay though

ned · Post by **ned** » February 19th, 2008, 11:29 am

Pretty sure I'm getting one for a test drive in a few weeks (fingers crossed), will post pics and full rundown of how mint I cane it.

Post by **Commando** » February 19th, 2008, 11:50 am

remove passnger headrest, fit camera

fit 2nd camera to driver's guard

fit 3rd camera facing rear, driver's guard

youtube it!

Post by **Bipolar** » February 19th, 2008, 2:05 pm

TUFED6 wrote:They all probably look heaps better in the flesh.

I don't remember being all that impressed by any of the B-series cars when they were released either.

Sundeep wrote:Seriously never had a feeling like "Fk I wanna buy that car brand new" ever except with this thing. There are some pretty damn good upgrades all over and the car looks fukking killer to me on all accounts.

Not a fan of the GT stripes and the panda eyes will grow on me, but everything else is mint.

Totally agree with both of you.

Everyone can argue the similarites between it and others in the large car segment, but the fact is it's the same arguements that've been happening for a long time. Every newly released car is subject to styling from the previous model, current trends, aerodynamics and their maker's corporate design language. IMO there'll always be new cars released that look similar to others, so just be happy they didn't fcuk up like 10 years ago, because most people don't know shit and go for looks.

Post by **EFFalcon** » February 19th, 2008, 2:15 pm

Ghia turbo would be so nice.
can i afford a 3rd car

Post by **Commando** » February 19th, 2008, 2:37 pm

Bipolar wrote: so just be happy they didn't fcuk up like 10 years ago, because most people don't know shit and go for looks.

I'm VERY glad that it's not another AU! It's just that they all have a very similar side profile. Aurion, Commodore and Falcon share the diagonal rear door look, Commodore Aurion and 380 share the rake (at least Ford is bucking the trend here), all have the same doorhandles (I HATE these!). I know it's only a few points I'm picking at but look at say the VN vs the EA. About the only things similar between them were square-ish rear lights, and grey bars/colour-coded bars depending on model.