FG Falcon Engine

Post by **EFFalcon** » February 26th, 2008, 8:57 am

Has anyone seen the pics of the FG's motor... more noticably the intake manifold

LTDHO · Post by **LTDHO** » February 26th, 2008, 9:14 am

Plastic??

No turbo?

No V6..... LOL

Bomber · Post by **Bomber** » February 26th, 2008, 9:23 am

Throttle Body is also facing the other way, wonder if swanny will buy one and claim heat soak in the plastic manifold when at the drags!

Post by **EFFalcon** » February 26th, 2008, 9:27 am

Yeah they've mentioned the different manifold when talking about the XR6T a fair bit.
first photo i've seen of it.
it almost looks like an engineering evaluation part or something.

Post by **Bipolar** » February 26th, 2008, 9:40 am

I know the external ribbing is designed to enhance induction noise.

Post by **Sunboost** » February 26th, 2008, 9:52 am

I wonder how much it will cost to replace when it splits from gas backfire.

BRADMAN · Post by **BRADMAN** » February 26th, 2008, 10:10 am

i would be very interested in the internals of the manifold.
i thought the I6 was suppsed to be dropped and the V6 its replacement? looks to me like a stock barra engine

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » February 26th, 2008, 10:13 am

arent they only stopping production of the I6 in 2010 because thats when the engine plant is closing or whatever?

Post by **EFFalcon** » February 26th, 2008, 10:16 am

the I6 is here until 2010 or 2011 or something.

the I6 is putting out 195kw now i think?

Post by **Sunboost** » February 26th, 2008, 10:27 am

The I6 will be dropped in 2010.

Who's going to the Motor Show on Friday?

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » February 26th, 2008, 10:28 am

im flying down there on saturday

Gunns · Post by **Gunns** » February 26th, 2008, 10:49 am

Sundeep wrote:I wonder how much it will cost to replace when it splits from gas backfire.

This was what I was thinking.

I think you will find they will have gas injection, with a vent on the manifold that will open in the event of a backfire. A bit like what they have done on the 5.4L 3v F150 and F350s

Nikk O'lass · Post by **Nikk O'lass** » February 26th, 2008, 4:19 pm

The XR6T gets shorter pipe work compared with the BA/F and has a more 'normal' FMIC with inlet on the drivers side and outlet on the pass side, thats got to be better for the throttle responce!

GT's get a twin throttle body!

XRated · Post by **XRated** » February 26th, 2008, 5:32 pm

Yeah the TB faces the other way - one reason in particular was shorter piping like Nikk said. The manifold itself is not normal plastic (I know Ford Oz is stupid, but not that stupid... Then again...). It's a plastic/composite material so it's not that likely to break like the shitty stuff found on earlier models.

ned · Post by **ned** » February 26th, 2008, 5:39 pm

You're right, its a nylon/glass type composite. Can't remember exactly but it's just normal airbox plastic.

Post by **Sunboost** » February 26th, 2008, 7:34 pm

It's still essentially plastic then. Even if it's strong it'd split at the seams and sht under a heavy backfire.

EL XR8 · Post by **EL XR8** » February 26th, 2008, 7:55 pm

Bipolar wrote:I know the external ribbing is designed to enhance induction noise.

It helps drone out the noise the 6 cyl exhaust makes.

John, I heard they were going to be putting out 205kw in stocko form.
I guess to trump the Aurion and so on.

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » February 26th, 2008, 7:59 pm

EL XR8 wrote:John, I heard they were going to be putting out 205kw in stocko form. I guess to trump the Aurion and so on.

Listed as having 195kw on fords website

Huffin6 · Post by **Huffin6** » February 26th, 2008, 8:53 pm

Should be fun to match port to the head.

EL XR8 · Post by **EL XR8** » February 26th, 2008, 8:55 pm

Fairmont888 wrote:
EL XR8 wrote:John, I heard they were going to be putting out 205kw in stocko form. I guess to trump the Aurion and so on.
Listed as having 195kw on fords website

Ahh bugger. I don't know where i heard that info from then. Someone talking shit though... obviously.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » February 26th, 2008, 9:02 pm

I think the new falcon might have a water intercooler, because there was a box on top of the engine that was leading from the turbo into the intake manifold and it said intercooler on it. was on a picture i saw, if i find it i will post it up.

Frost · Post by **Frost** » February 26th, 2008, 9:04 pm

I thought the E-Gas models were injected LPG this time around, I sware my mates BF2 RTV is injected LPG - EGAS green head

SnyperEB · Post by **SnyperEB** » February 26th, 2008, 9:14 pm

Ford really know how to make ugly things dont they!! They started at the AU!!

nommic · Post by **nommic** » February 26th, 2008, 10:39 pm

Jake wrote:I think the new falcon might have a water intercooler, because there was a box on top of the engine that was leading from the turbo into the intake manifold and it said intercooler on it. was on a picture i saw, if i find it i will post it up.

They always have that written on them... refers to the air-to-air intercooler.

Post by **Bipolar** » February 26th, 2008, 11:51 pm

XRated wrote:Yeah the TB faces the other way - one reason in particular was shorter piping like Nikk said.

It has shorter and longer piping. The longer path is used until a valve flap closes it off and directs air to the shorter path at 3750rpm for better throttle response. The flap then turns to close off the shorter path and direct air back to the longer paths at 5500.

Post by **Bipolar** » February 27th, 2008, 12:14 am

Wow, the fifth comment I've ever written in one of these things actually got posted for once, even though it was way after I submitted it - http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comm ... 60,00.html

braiden · Post by **braiden** » February 27th, 2008, 1:53 am

All I have to say is, I wonder how easy it will be to drop that in a e-series.

galapogos01 · Post by **galapogos01** » February 27th, 2008, 8:34 am

i posted about this intake in the other thread! pretty good i reckon. major weight saving, and its not going to crack as it's a composite plastic. many other cars have been using plastic intakes for years.

i still cant get over how many refinements they made to an engine theyre binning in 2 years.

Frost wrote:I thought the E-Gas models were injected LPG this time around, I sware my mates BF2 RTV is injected LPG - EGAS green head

BF2 E-Gas != injected. my old man has one. Practically the same kit ford's been using since the EL Tickford dual-fuel option, ECU controlled fuel stepper solenoid, mixer ring in the intake, complex convertor, spring clips on the airbox.

nfi about the FG tho, there's really been no mention of the base models in the launch.

Fairmont888 · Post by **Fairmont888** » February 27th, 2008, 9:37 am

Bipolar wrote:Wow, the fifth comment I've ever written in one of these things actually got posted for once, even though it was way after I submitted it - http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/comm ... 60,00.html

lol i read that... unfortunately i couldnt read the whole thing because i got sick of people who clearly know nothing dribbling about how its the exact same car

Kenaz · Post by **Kenaz** » February 27th, 2008, 6:03 pm

SnyperEB wrote:Ford really know how to make ugly things dont they!! They started at the AU!!

And finished with the AU.

Nikk O'lass · Post by **Nikk O'lass** » February 27th, 2008, 7:08 pm

Sundeep wrote:It's still essentially plastic then. Even if it's strong it'd split at the seams and sht under a heavy backfire.

Keep in mind its the same plastic that is used on most radiator supports these days (FG gets a bolt in plastic support aswell), it's fairly tough. But i guess it still has a chance.

Nikk O'lass · Post by **Nikk O'lass** » February 27th, 2008, 7:10 pm

Bipolar wrote:
XRated wrote:Yeah the TB faces the other way - one reason in particular was shorter piping like Nikk said.
It has shorter and longer piping. The longer path is used until a valve flap closes it off and directs air to the shorter path at 3750rpm for better throttle response. The flap then turns to close off the shorter path and direct air back to the longer paths at 5500.

i was talking about a short track from the turbo/airbox to the TB...What you described sounds likt the Broadband manifold...

makvaiielles_xr6 · February 27th, 2008, 7:28 pm

the ribs on the out side is a good idea though. i showed a mate who rallys and he said they gut the inside of manifold to improve breathing hence the power and efficiency ratings. it also mentioned they are now putting higher quality internals...YAY

Frost · Post by **Frost** » February 27th, 2008, 9:10 pm

galapogos01 wrote:i posted about this intake in the other thread! pretty good i reckon. major weight saving, and its not going to crack as it's a composite plastic. many other cars have been using plastic intakes for years.

i still cant get over how many refinements they made to an engine theyre binning in 2 years.

Frost wrote:I thought the E-Gas models were injected LPG this time around, I sware my mates BF2 RTV is injected LPG - EGAS green head
BF2 E-Gas != injected. my old man has one. Practically the same kit ford's been using since the EL Tickford dual-fuel option, ECU controlled fuel stepper solenoid, mixer ring in the intake, complex convertor, spring clips on the airbox.

nfi about the FG tho, there's really been no mention of the base models in the launch.

How is using a mixing ring injected gas? Injected gas uses Injectors.

E-Gas is being launched in May

Post by **t2te50** » February 28th, 2008, 7:52 am

First mod would be to piss that drive by wire system off. The only reason I'll never buy a later model falcon, oh and that electronic stability control. Drove a Mazda MPS (slow piece of crap) BF XR8 (yawn) and drive a BF 2 ute for the (RACV) and all give me the s%^ts

galapogos01 · Post by **galapogos01** » February 28th, 2008, 7:58 am

Frost wrote: How is using a mixing ring injected gas? Injected gas uses Injectors.

E-Gas is being launched in May

err... i said BF2 is NOT injected?

EL XR8 · Post by **EL XR8** » February 28th, 2008, 6:04 pm

t2te50 wrote:First mod would be to piss that drive by wire system off. The only reason I'll never buy a later model falcon, oh and that electronic stability control. Drove a Mazda MPS (slow piece of crap) BF XR8 (yawn) and drive a BF 2 ute for the (RACV) and all give me the s%^ts

Whats wrong with the drive by wire stuff. ATM i would prefer it, cause its better than my throttle cable that sticks (closed) so its no problem, but fucking annoying every now and then.
I don't know what world you're from. Those Mazda 3 MPS', move along very fucking well, and being Mazda, they'll last for donkey's year, have good resale, and they look good.

Steady · Post by **Steady** » February 29th, 2008, 6:51 am

Hes from the world of T3 envy and poor taste in vehicle aesthetics.

Post by **pHaT`eL** » February 29th, 2008, 2:20 pm

T3s are mint

MPS arent exactly slow, arent they just an XR5 in a different shell?

Post by **Commando** » February 29th, 2008, 2:24 pm

Nah an XR5 is Shaun's EB when it drops a cylinder at AFD